Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, 15+ Dead

[Ecthy]

now we're there again... terrorists are INSIDE of the civilians?

[Panag]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
not every guy in such a camp is a terrorist. you figure out where they are and don't give a damn about all those wannabes. if they shoot at you, shoot back. no reason to crush every house? or even to enter them.

if they hide behind a window, blast them away. shouldn't eradicate all of the house.

and even if "civilians" with weapons and maybe even in wheelchairs for the western press hide also in the places that are actually important (ie facilities for explosives production etc.), they shouldn't make up to the amount of "civilian" casualties that we have seen. Unless you need a big blast to convince your population they should vote for you again

or, maybe, unless you think that destroying every lousy training camp etc. discourages your opponents in a satisfying way, which hardly happened, apart from the short term solution.

fight their infrastructure, not their kids. and hey, terrorist infrastructure != civilian infrastructure

tip for future debates - it's quite early to acuse the other side of being "wrong" before any actual statement was made. would you know where exactly I'd have to admit to being "wrong". hardly.

have you ever studied the IDF's "doctrine" , .... probably not , ....

[Agathon]

It's clear that Israel must be destroyed. After all the Israelis are the interlopers forced on the region by the great powers. They are the troublemakers, not the Arabs - religious claims to pieces of land are hogwash and should be treated as such. Send the Israelis somewhere like the US, where they are well liked.

Problem solved.

[Eli]

What did you guys expect? You go after a Hamas leader, and you don't think they'd retaliate? Come on! Every time you go after one of them, there will be a retaliation.. so don't act surprised when one does happen.

Is that why 10 suicide bombers were arrested only in the past week? And every day the security system had 50+ warning of attacks in the making?

You are just goading them on!

They are goading me on! I'm gonna blow up in Gaza!
Will it be largely my fault, or of the Pals?

[Panag]

Originally posted by Agathon
It's clear that Israel must be destroyed. After all the Israelis are the interlopers forced on the region by the great powers. They are the troublemakers, not the Arabs - religious claims to pieces of land are hogwash and should be treated as such. Send the Israelis somewhere like the US, where they are well liked.

Problem solved.

go and post your bs somewhere else

its clear that you know nothing of whats going on or about our history

and if we are the troublemakers then why do you post in a thread made by one , ....

[Ecthy]

panag, please... that's like an elementary school level reply

Agathon, please...

[Eli]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
now we're there again... terrorists are INSIDE of the civilians?

Since you have no meaningful reply, I assume that you admit that i'm right and you're wrong.

Have a nice day.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

What did you guys expect? You go after a Hamas leader, and you don't think they'd retaliate?

If Israel didn't go after the Hamas leader, you think they wouldn't attack Israel?


As pointed out in another thread, the last time Israel targetted and killed a large number of terror leaders, the terrorism was less frequent because the group needed time to retrain new leaders to take their places.

[Ecthy]

I bet Eli wets his pants before every refreshing.

what did I just advise to you? your reply was only "blah ", how meaningful.

as for your reply - I might read it later on, I only needed that line

[Ecthy]

panag, Agathon is being sarcastic.... and if not, he's to be ignored. like Eli

[Panag]

Originally posted by Edan


If Israel didn't go after the Hamas leader, you think they wouldn't attack Israel?


As pointed out in another thread, the last time Israel targetted and killed a large number of terror leaders, the terrorism was less frequent because the group needed time to retrain new leaders to take their places.

hi ,

they seem to forget as always that they kill also other people , americans , french , indians , you name it , catholics , druze , kopt , orhodox greeks , .... etc , ....

have a nice day

[Panag]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
panag, Agathon is being sarcastic.... and if not, he's to be ignored. like Eli

this is not a thread to be "sarcastic" in , ....

and if eli is to be ignored , then what are you doing posting in the thread he made , ....

[Sirotnikov]

Well, since Aqaba there have been 10 suicide bombing attemps, that were foiled by IDF.

This one was no reaction to the attack on Rantisi. It takes weeks to organize and send out a bomber.

Israel does not intend to get a cease fire with Hamas. Either Abu Mazen fights them, or we will - using our own methods.

[Ecthy]

why does it take weeks? as I have understood, there is quite some support for those groups among young people, so finding a guy t do it shouldn't be too hard. now, ignition and explosives, how hard to arrange?

[Eli]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
why does it take weeks? as I have understood, there is quite some support for those groups among young people, so finding a guy t do it shouldn't be too hard. now, ignition and explosives, how hard to arrange?

Suicide bomber in Jenin.
One bomb ingredient in Hebron, other in Tul Karem.
Gather intelligence about IDF roadblocks and positions, avoid the curfews, sieges and roadblocks. All this only to bring the bomb components to one place, to the bomb maker. Then do the same to get the bomb to the suicider.

Gather intelligence about the target, about ways to pass the IDF, about ways to escape the police inside Israel, about the security at the target, now the suicider needs to make all the trip(and not get caught, in which case you'll never hear about it in Germany) and blow up.

It takes weeks.