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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Where's the dotted line?
Where's the dotted line?
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There is none. You only have to wait a bit for China to get thier act together and then we can go back to a bipolar world. Unless you want a multipolar world, in which case the EU had better hurry up.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Hyper-puissance : courtesy of Hubert Vedrines, former Minister of foreign affairs; again a gift from the French.Originally posted by DanS
Sheesh Dan, what you're doing there is presenting full-blown speculation as facts.
Not at all. Creating a multipolar world is almost stated French policy. The only way to do that is to create another power pole and to minimize the existing hyper-puissance. Right?
Be careful to what ends you're working for!
There is no need to minimize the existing hyper-puissance, and as other powers will grow, there is no desire either. But working for a stronger Europe, why not?Statistical anomaly.
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No need for us to hurry up. Even with Bush & co, America's decline won't be too rapid.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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What makes the US a hyperpower?“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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They would have to wait 50 years for China and 70 years for India to get their acts together. France is looking out on much shorter time frame.
Hershell: It seems like just a description of a unipolar power. Since we haven't had one of those for a good long while, there is some exceptionalism of language.
Btw, I don't agree that we are an hyper puissance. More like a weak unipole.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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France lacks the resources and the rest of the EU seems to lack the will to mount the kind of effort your hinting at DanS.Originally posted by DanS
France is looking out on much shorter time frame.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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France lacks the resources
Precisely. That's why they will try to rope others into the game. Of course, this is fine, if the others go in with their eyes open.
and the rest of the EU seems to lack the will
I agree. But that could change.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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It's often used to mean an exceptional situation in history. Which is, of course, utter bull****. No wonder it is endorsed furiously by the american right and the european left.Originally posted by DanS
Hershell: It seems like just a description of a unipolar power. Since we haven't had one of those for a good long while, there is some exceptionalism of language.
“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Which is, of course, utter bull****.
I wouldn't call it utter bull****. More like mostly bull****. The kernel of truth among the bull**** is that the US is a unipolar power right now.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Unipolar to some extent. But its influence outside its borders varies a lot, in most of the world it's pretty weak. Even militarily, though that's just one aspect of power, there are serious constraints.
So the hyperpower thing as I described it above is utter bull****. In your weaker understanding, it's just a misnomer.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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No wonder it is endorsed furiously by . . . the european left.
Chirac is not the left. The cancer appears to be growing.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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In your weaker understanding, it's just a misnomer.
Be careful how things sound in the English language.
I agree that it is just a misnomer, if the US is a weak unipole, as I believe it to be. Or "mostly bull****", if you wish.
But its influence outside its borders varies a lot, in most of the world it's pretty weak.
I agree. But then again, it doesn't need to be strong, because there are no real rivals. And we've never had the desire to be good at empire, anway.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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"Be careful how things sound in the English language."
Because of "weak"? Has the same ambiguity in german...
“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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It's more like the interaction between the words in "your weaker understanding".
I guess the French are just following a trend. Supermodels ain't so super anymore. But "hypermodel" doesn't seem to fit...
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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You're american DanS, polish american.Comment
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