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  • #76
    well i meant in addition to the others.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Colon

      It would be pretty darn ****ty if we'd end up with another Bosnia or Rwanda.
      This holocost is already 3 times worse than Rwanda.
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      • #78
        the rooskies, who else

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        • #79
          no wimpy peacekeepers indeed...the French will send in some very good forces.

          of course, having the Belgians there kinda negates that effect...
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Saint Marcus
            no wimpy peacekeepers indeed...
            As an aside I must say that I'm appalled by the unilateralism displayed by the EU in this instance.
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            • #81
              To be fair its only unilateralism insofar as the US couldn't give a **** about what happens to a bunch or darkies in a place none of them have heard of.
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              • #82
                How dare they commit forces without UN mandate?
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  How dare they commit forces without UN mandate?
                  At the request of the UN secretary general to support an ongoing mission?
                  “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by DinoDoc
                    How dare they commit forces without UN mandate?
                    They have a UN mandate, I literally posted the damn thing in this topic.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by panag
                      hi ,

                      next week they are going to send the belgians in , ......

                      maybe its time the Israeli's go back , .....
                      perhaps it's time you start looking at the situation in your own country
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by HershOstropoler
                        At the request of the UN secretary general to support an ongoing mission?
                        Why are the opperating outside of UN control (no blue helmets) then? Or was the article you posted merely talking crap?

                        Out of curiosity, why does the UN send troops to these type of areas without even half the arms the EU is sending with thier troops?
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


                          If your safe haven is porous, and/or you don't have heavy weapons support and airmobility, 1,400 troops on the ground can't do much, even in a small area. Look at UNISOM I for a good example.

                          1,400 sounds like a decent number, until you factor in support troops (clerks, maintenance, mess hall, medical, signals, etc.) which don't give you nearly the combat posture as line troops will, and the fact that you can't pull 50% or 100% night alerts all the time.

                          Three airmobile brigades, OTOH, could rapidly take the war to the militias and rebels all over the country, and break their asses pretty quick, although it would be a while before you could train competent national forces to maintain stability. A long while. Another problem is that the resource richer areas of Congo (Katanga especially) have always been a bit secessionist, so "national" troops wouldn't be particularly welcome.
                          They'll be there to support the troops that are already present. And I think well-equiped troops could handle the ragtag militias with mandate they have. IMHO of course.

                          I don't know how many troops or how much equipment 3 airmobile brigades is, but even if we plan on something as ambitious as stabilising the whole country I'm sceptical we could do anything outside of the medium-sized cities. Concepts such as central authorithy and infrastructure have disintigrated completely, even the rebel groups, Ruanda and Uganda have more nominal than real control over 'their' territories.
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                          • #88
                            Why are the opperating outside of UN control (no blue helmets) then? Or was the article you posted merely talking crap?
                            duh...not all UN endorsed mission have blue helmets.

                            Gulf War 1 was UN endorsed as well for crying out loud.
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                            • #89
                              The UN sends troops without arms on the basis that if they aren't armed no one will see them as a threat and then aon't hurt them. Of course this is bollocks but the whole problem with the UN is its dislike of interferring with "sovereign" nations even if it is committing genocide.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Saint Marcus
                                duh...not all UN endorsed mission have blue helmets.
                                It was the heavy weapons and the authority to use them that confused me more than anything about that point.
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