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  • #106
    Originally posted by DanS
    Re the "good for the goose", France has been clear that it is trying to create a power pole to offset American influence. Because of this, I doubt France will contribute to much that the US does anywhere from now on. It would rather see the US pay full price.

    This is fine, of course. It's France's perogative. However, when France looks to share the burden among a group, it will always be colored (and should be colored) by this alternate pole that they are trying to create.
    Sheesh Dan, what you're doing there is presenting full-blown speculation as facts.
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    • #107
      and the US just can't be arsed anymore AFAIK

      No, we really can't. Because the cold war is over. There is no adversary to worry about. Unless...
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      • #108
        Sheesh Dan, what you're doing there is presenting full-blown speculation as facts.

        Not at all. Creating a multipolar world is almost stated French policy. The only way to do that is to create another power pole and to minimize the existing hyper-puissance. Right?

        Be careful to what ends you're working for!
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        • #109
          Originally posted by BeBro




          To the suspicions: there are some rumours flying around that some in the EU want this operation primarily for prestige (although I´m not sure what big prestige you can win there). I can just hope that these are really only rumours.

          Are you saying that bringing democracy to the pygmies is less noble that bringing democracy to the Iraquis ? Or any democracy brought without air carrier is of no value for you ?
          Statistical anomaly.
          The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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          • #110
            Dan:

            And participating in that would be bad for other EU countries... how?
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            • #111
              Originally posted by DanS
              and the US just can't be arsed anymore AFAIK

              No, we really can't. Because the cold war is over. There is no adversary to worry about. Unless...
              Have you mistakenly been reading the Washington Times instead of the Post?
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              • #112
                Originally posted by DAVOUT
                Are you saying that bringing democracy to the pygmies is less noble that bringing democracy to the Iraquis ? Or any democracy brought without air carrier is of no value for you ?
                Err?

                This is a humanitarian operation (which I support). It is not the goal to bring democracy.

                However, the fact that I support this mission doesn´t mean I can´t ask critical questions about it.
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                • #113
                  And participating in that would be bad for other EU countries... how?

                  It wouldn't be bad at all, if you subscribe to the French view of the optimal global power structure.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #114
                    Originally posted by DanS
                    Sheesh Dan, what you're doing there is presenting full-blown speculation as facts.

                    Not at all. Creating a multipolar world is almost stated French policy. The only way to do that is to create another power pole and to minimize the existing hyper-puissance. Right?
                    Oh I see, we're invading Congo so that France can build a bullwark against the American Imperialism. Frankly, that sounds as ridiculous as the assertion you used to make that Somalia was a terrorists hotbed.

                    Get a grip on your paranoia.
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                    • #115
                      and the US just can't be arsed anymore AFAIK.

                      When would we have cared enough to do anything about this in Africa to begin with?

                      Incidentally what did the Belgians do?
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                      • #116
                        Originally posted by DanS

                        It wouldn't be bad at all, if you subscribe to the French view of the optimal global power structure.
                        Where's the dotted line?

                        Hyper-puissance... I love that...
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                        • #117
                          Oh I see, we're invading Congo so that France can build a bullwark against the American Imperialism. Frankly, that sounds as ridiculous as the assertion you used to make that Somalia was a terrorists hotbed.

                          No. I view Congo as influence trying to be bought cheaply.

                          Get a grip on your paranoia.

                          Damn near everything in a multipolar world is seen through the lense of the ultimate power struggle. That's just the way these things work. This is the planet that France is looking forward to.
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #118
                            DanS you paranoid.

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                            • #119
                              Originally posted by Colon
                              I don't know how many troops or how much equipment 3 airmobile brigades is, but even if we plan on something as ambitious as stabilising the whole country I'm sceptical we could do anything outside of the medium-sized cities. Concepts such as central authorithy and infrastructure have disintigrated completely, even the rebel groups, Ruanda and Uganda have more nominal than real control over 'their' territories.
                              About 400 transport helos, 70 scout helos, 150 helo gunships, and 8,000 airmobile light infantry, plus the ability to carry things like mountain howitzers, HMG and AGL armed Humvees.

                              The nice thing about fully airmobile forces is that they can create temporary bases for themselves in a matter of hours, and they can get to an area faster than the *******s can get out. Any concentration of armed fighters, on any side, can be hunted down and exterminated until they get the message. These rebel groups have such a primitive concept of tactics that they'll **** themselves if caught in a vertical envelopment. The idea with airmobile forces not to dilute those forces all over the country, but to be able to rapidly deploy them and then extract them anywhere there's a fight for them to go to.
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                              • #120
                                DanS is realistic. Otherwise, why did we care about all of these countries during the Cold War?
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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