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  • #91
    Originally posted by TheStinger
    The UN sends troops without arms on the basis that if they aren't armed no one will see them as a threat and then aon't hurt them.
    Then why send such troops to areas of the world without any peace to keep.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by DinoDoc
      It was the heavy weapons and the authority to use them that confused me more than anything about that point.
      What is your point? That they should have been as ineffective as the troops that were already send in?
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      • #93
        Originally posted by DinoDoc
        Then why send such troops to areas of the world without any peace to keep.
        I don't know, I was just giving to you my take on the UN.

        If its a mission run by the EU, they may just allow their troops to shoot people
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        • #94
          It was the heavy weapons and the authority to use them that confused me more than anything about that point.
          what about Gulf War 1? that was UN endorsed as well.
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          • #95
            Originally posted by Kropotkin
            I'm not saying that's the only reason or even the reason. I just predicted that it's probably something special about the region and voila! It would seem strange that they would take a risk of seeing men returing in bodybags just to protect some locals.
            Why don't you explain how exactly we're getting an economic benefit by sending troops to Bunia?

            We could just have well used the chaos in Congo as a pretext to send troops to Katanga to take over the diamond mines, which would also happen to be a lot less risky, but we didn't. Why is that?
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            • #96
              If I were the EU, I would be suspicious of being roped into a French adventure to maintain her influence in the region. If it's good for the goose...
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              • #97
                Originally posted by TheStinger
                The UN sends troops without arms on the basis that if they aren't armed no one will see them as a threat and then aon't hurt them.
                Sending a photography of soldiers could not do ?
                Statistical anomaly.
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                • #98
                  Only if the opposition were likley to be scared by "white mans majic"
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by DanS
                    If I were the EU, I would be suspicious of being roped into a French adventure to maintain her influence in the region. If it's good for the goose...
                    Fortunately, as you are not the EU, you are not suspicious.
                    Statistical anomaly.
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                    • #100
                      Originally posted by DanS
                      If I were the EU, I would be suspicious of being roped into a French adventure to maintain her influence in the region. If it's good for the goose...
                      I think the other participating countries have some share of the loot (unlike British companies in Iraq ) France doesn't seem too eager to pay full price to maintain its influence in the region, so I suppose it is going to share the costs AND the returning influence.

                      Besides, the EU in general has more to win of a stable DRC under influence, rather than a hellhole that could still continue to spark conflict between neighbouring and involved African countries (Uganda, Rwanda and Zimbabwe IIRC)

                      BTW, small question : what's the end of "If it's good for the goose..."
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                      • #101
                        That's just the thing. France doesn't want to bear the full burden of maintaining her interests in the region. France's appetite for influence everywhere is extremely high right now. So fellow EU members ought to beware.
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                        • #102
                          Originally posted by Spiffor
                          BTW, small question : what's the end of "If it's good for the goose..."
                          , it's good for the gander.
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                          • #103
                            Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat That's why I suggested three airmobile brigades to go on the offensive against the rebels.
                            I´m not sure we have three airmobile brigades

                            DanS

                            To the suspicions: there are some rumours flying around that some in the EU want this operation primarily for prestige (although I´m not sure what big prestige you can win there). I can just hope that these are really only rumours.
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                            • #104
                              Re the "good for the goose", France has been clear that it is trying to create a power pole to offset American influence. Because of this, I doubt France will contribute to much that the US does anywhere from now on. It would rather see the US pay full price.

                              This is fine, of course. It's France's perogative. However, when France looks to share the burden among a group, it will always be colored (and should be colored) by this alternate pole that they are trying to create. If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.
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                              • #105
                                Originally posted by DanS
                                If I were the EU, I would be suspicious of being roped into a French adventure to maintain her influence in the region. If it's good for the goose...
                                France sphere in influence lies mostly in West Africa and their other former colonies, not the DRC. The US and Belgium used to have a far heavier influence over the country but the Belgiums squandered it when it was still called Zaire and the US just can't be arsed anymore AFAIK.
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