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  • #46
    Originally posted by Fez
    That is just great... there was a senator like this? Some socialist in the US that would of never got elected anyways to the office of presidency anyways.
    Originally posted by Fez
    Also Templar, "Ike" Eisenhower was far more popular than any other politican during the 50s.. so it is unlikely your prediction would of happened if Long wasn't assassinated.
    I love how Fez becomes an instant expert on Huey Long.
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    • #47
      No expert. But Ike was by far the most popular politican of the 50s... and that I know.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #48
        Ike was no politician, but he was easily more popular than Long.

        There is no way in hell Long would get elected. As a candidate you can't all up the militia to force minorities to vote for you.

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        • #49
          My mistake, he was a General who was elected... not a career politican, just one that entered the elections.

          And because of his successes in war, he was far too popular. Some say Ike could of ran for a third time and won. But the constitution didn't allow it.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #50
            Fez:

            Can you name any of Eisenhower's foreign policy contributions?
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            • #51
              Originally posted by obiwan18
              Fez:

              Can you name any of Eisenhower's foreign policy contributions?
              Correct me if I am wrong on this one, but wasn't he the one who ended the Korean war?

              Why you don't like Ike? Like most of the apolytoners in here?
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Fez
                I am not talking about what the US pulled in the 18th or 19th century. You are defaming the US for no reason. Well communists are usually like that. Spitting at the US and making fun of it. The US are the good guys. In fact it ended the slave trade before some European countries did.
                Technically correct. The US ended the importation of slavery early on - but retained the institution long after almost every other nation abandoned it. And I can't be "defaming" the US because everything I said was true. Ask a Native American (if you can find one) if the US are the good guys.



                Little known to you that I am not even from Argentina, you bald headed assertion man.

                I am from Spain.. not American.
                Your location says Argentina. Of course, every upper middle class conservative from Argentina (and South America in general) says they're really Spanish. But fine, Franco then you silly character from a 70s show.
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                • #53
                  I like Ike. I think he'd make a great communist.
                  urgh.NSFW

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                  • #54
                    you are incorrect if you think modern day native americans foster some deep resentment towards the U.S.

                    The past is the past, let it be. I don't harbour any resentment towards the germans, and that is much more recent history. And don't give me they were only following orders bull****. They still killed millions of people in the concentration camps.

                    And really Ike didn't really do all that much while in office. But you can say he didn't screw things up either .

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by The Templar


                      Technically correct. The US ended the importation of slavery early on - but retained the institution long after almost every other nation abandoned it. And I can't be "defaming" the US because everything I said was true. Ask a Native American (if you can find one) if the US are the good guys.
                      Well I could go into the Spanish inquistion.. and talk about the evils of that. Or I could talk about different countries.. take Turkey.. about its slaugther of Armenians. But those eras are long gone. You now want to blame these past injustices on the current government and the country? Then do you spit at Germany today for having Adolf Hitler sixty years ago?

                      Your location says Argentina. Of course, every upper middle class conservative from Argentina (and South America in general) says they're really Spanish. But fine, Franco then you silly character from a 70s show.
                      No, actually my location will soon be saying "Los Angeles, California". Will that mean I am American? No it does not. Nor does putting Argentina mean I am from here. But your own arrogance doesn't let you see that. I haven't been in Argentina for more than three years. Before that I lived in Ecuador. So stop acting like a fool and accept how things really are.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Azazel
                        I like Ike. I think he'd make a great communist.
                        You wish. On your side they lack leaders. By the way Ike wasn't particularily fond of communism.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                          He sure made himself the entrenched power structure. Everything and everyone was connected to Good Ole' Huey. He had every position under his control and when he left, he handpicked his successor.

                          He'd have been a horrible President who would have made the court-packing scheme look tame by comparison.
                          The Long machine entrenched itself by delivering to the people of Louisiana. They got the roads paved, the bridges built, affordable electricity got to the poor rural areas. Unions had a friend in the government. Long's predescessors entrenched themselves by playing identity politics, supporting the clan, and backing the wealthy sugar and port interests at the expense of everyone else. Huey earned his support.

                          Yes, the contracts for the bridges and roads went to cronies. But at least Long was getting those things built. Nor was his corruption any greater than anyone else at the time (and certainly no worse than the Bush administration). Yes his corruption should be condemned.

                          As for DinoDoc and "court packing", I would remind him that the threat of court packing was the only thing that forced the courts to quit stonewalling modernization of the bureacracy. And like Chegitz said - if the courts hadn't let FDRs programs through, communism would have won out here.
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                          • #58
                            And like Chegitz said - if the courts hadn't let FDRs programs through, communism would have won out here.
                            Then everybody would of been really screwed...
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by The Templar
                              Technically correct. The US ended the importation of slavery early on -
                              I won't even grant that much. The last slave ship to enter the US did so in the 1850s (IIRC). Despite the fact that the slave trade was illegal, in continued illicitly for almost forty years after, and probably would have continued if not for the Civil War and subsequent naval blockade of the South.
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                              • #60
                                The Long machine entrenched itself by delivering to the people of Louisiana.


                                Come on, you don't really believe this, do you? Huey entrenched himself by corruption. You may not think it was that much different that others, but Huey wasn't an idiot. He controlled more planning boards than other governor and basically controlled everything in the state. He put his cronies in everywhere and had a finger in every pie and made Tammany Hall look tame by comparision. Btw, every political machine gets where it is by 'helping out the people'. Yet it ain't like Tammany Hall gets a good reputation for finding jobs for immigrants or anything.
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