Femenists want to make masculinity a hate crime.

[Az]

All the wone I knew in colege were very comfortable with the computer and spent as much time on average as men on it, but for different uses, which is my point.

Comfortable with computer != Computer as a large part of one's life.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Azazel
Comfortable with computer != Computer as a large part of one's life.

In this resect, yes. A computer is a multitasker. It is not only for computer gams, as hard as that may seem to some of us....

Do you have any evidence that without societal influences men and women behave the same?

I see it this way: we know that brain chemistry affects behavior, hence behavior changing drugs. We know that the boyd chemistry of men and women is different in some important ways. Why then could we not come to the simple conclusion that if a=b ad b=c, then a=c? Hence, since men and women have different chemistres, and different chemistries lead to different behaviors, men and women will behave differently (along the set of possbile human reactions?)

[Az]

I never said that men and women would behave the same. This difference is well established, AFAIK. But the difference will smaller than it currently is.

[monkspider]

Che- You know I love you man. I have learned a lot from you, and I admire you a great deal. But I think you are looking at the feminism issue the wrong way. The way I see it, it is entirely superfluous with socialism. In a socialist society, women would be treated as equals anyway, it nearly goes without saying. If feminists chose to abandon feminism and instead take up socialism, the world would be a much better place.

Of course I will grant you that not every feminist is a Dworkin. But that is irrelevent, mostly. You cited a lot of examples of subtle ways in which women still suffer inequality. I could cite just as many for men. We could go back and forth forever. But just consider this, feminism, at it's core, is naturally divisive, obviously a quality that we should try to avoid, as socialists. Instead of fighting for the betterment of only women, why not just try to help improve all of humanity? There's no need for feminism, and now that women have achieved equality, very little good can come of it, at least in regards to building an egalitarian society. I hope you will agree with me, comrade.

[Imran Siddiqui]

now that women have achieved equality

Hard of reading, monkspider?

[monkspider]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

now that women have achieved equality

Hard of reading, monkspider?

I think will just have to agree to disagree.

[Japher]

MtG and Sava: On the motive and hate-crime thing... Yeah, I don't think it should be any different than premeditative crimes. Accidents are different, or just by chance.

What if the guy they robbed happened to be black or gay? No diff... I see.

[Az]

just showing off my brand spanking new avatar, move along now.

[Japher]

That's kinda kewl, what is it?

[Az]

Fantasy art from a Magic The Gathering card.

Never played it, btw.

[GePap]

If we decide that motive is important enough to create a difference in scale between killing with a premeditated motive, and say, killing out of passion (the end result being the same), then can;t we then differentiate between motives as well?

[GePap]

Bring back the Rabbi! Or Doctor Evil! or the Demon!

Man, I don;t get changing avatars so often.

[Imran Siddiqui]

GePap... true.. but I think they are saying premeditated crimes shouldn't be distinguished on the bases of the premeditation. I'm inclined to agree myself.

[GePap]

I am fine with making policy based on differing sentencing.

[Imran Siddiqui]

That's a form of 'hate-crimes' I wouldn't mind. Weigh the individual 'hate' and see if it requires greater sentancing.