Femenists want to make masculinity a hate crime.

[Japher]

I'm a strong willed man, but that doesn't make me masculinits (whatever), the same way my wife being strong willed doesn't make her a feminist.

(Who sayed I like her anyway? I just needed a date for my wedding.)

I am not gripping about the underminding of the white male, but I do gripe about that groups that continue to push for equality when there already is equality, and in doing so undermind personal freedoms and the boundaries of a "good cause".

By the way, in the military, is it less likely that a woman would be sent to the frontline?

The NAACP, IMO, has outlived is usefulness. They should turn into a scholarship/mentoring program (so that we can eliminate the AA) and many of their leaders should be given spots in ALU or any other department that oversees fair and/or equal opportunity programs. As it stands, they, like the feminist, are just a bunch of whinniners stumbling around in the darkness looking for some cause to keep them fighting... all the while coming of as racists, bigots, and sexists...

See, they're all just like me... hows that for equality?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I do gripe about that groups that continue to push for equality when there already is equality

What equality? Has their been a female President I don't know about (don't say Hillary either )?

What about represenatives in Congress? 10% represenation for a 50% population. 1 female CEO in the Fortune 500. What equality?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Lancer
I live in Oregon, I've met plenty, they're trash.

Yeah, they won't get their husbands beer on demand. *****es don't know their rightful place.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by monkspider
Worst of all, feminism is a movement that divides humanity into seperate groups.

What part of "women should be treated as equal" don't you believe?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Japher
Maybe we just married strong willed women... I like 'em that way.

damn right. I've gone out with quiet, weak-willed women. Boring.

I love women who are confident and independent. They're the ones that the will come up to you and say "I'm horny" and then take control and rip off your clothes. Ohh baby. And at the same time, they have the confidence to let the man take control, to be submissive. And the best of all is when we're both in sync.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I do gripe about that groups that continue to push for equality when there already is equality

What equality? Has their been a female President I don't know about (don't say Hillary either )?

What about represenatives in Congress? 10% represenation for a 50% population. 1 female CEO in the Fortune 500. What equality?

Preach it, brother Imran.

Same could also be said for the NAACP - when you have stuff (not so long ago, either) like the tape of Texaco execs joking about how when you shake the bag, all the black jellybeans end up at the bottom, you still have problems.

Even if you have a small minority of knuckledraggers, if they're in positions of authority where they can discriminate, you've got problems.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
What about represenatives in Congress? 10% represenation for a 50% population. 1 female CEO in the Fortune 500. What equality?

Now on this I disagree Imran. To me, the most important equality is that of opportunity, not result. I don;t think then one can measure equality by outcomes in such thing as congress. (one can point to increasingly sucessful womne in the judical branch, and in the cabinet, plus there is Pelosi in congress) After all,, for example, there has been only one catholic president, yet catholics ar the biggest single religious faction in the US: are we saying they are unequal?

I think equality should be judged by the opportunities available at the outset, and by the ability to advance. I think most of the barriers towards getting a woman in the white house have been removed. What is left is prejudice (of both men and women), which must be tackled in a differen way. After all, Pakistan had a womna leader, na d that says nothing about the position of Pakistani women v men.

[Japher]

Imran: Oh, I see, your one of those equal success types who don't really understand what equal opportunity means... I can't help it if women aren't rising to the same stature of men, and would rather stay at home and nuture their husbands, children, and home. The only reason Hilary is as "great" of a political "leader" as she is is because her daughter is off and on her own, and husband ain't worth anyones time...

Men, are more "successful" at getting these positions, not because they are handed them on a silver platter, but because they are more willing to neglect all other responsibilities in their lives, and become workaholics... Something not too many women are good at.

Another thing, what are the age ranges of the rest of these fortune 500 presidents (did you bother to look at the board of directors of these companies, I know mine has several women on it), same with the US presidents... Why hasen't a women even vied for the presidency?

[Imran Siddiqui]

They're the ones that the will come up to you and say "I'm horny" and then take control and rip off your clothes. Ohh baby.

And I thought this was supposed to be a family friendly site!

[Japher]

Yeah, they won't get their husbands beer on demand. *****es don't know their rightful place

Damn Skippy. MtG, say that to my wife and WHAMO!

She told me long ago that if I wasn't able to get my own beer then I wasn't allowed to have it. Made sense when she said. Kind-of suked those first 5 or 6 times when you wake up on the kitchen floor, halfway between your chair and the fridge

[Imran Siddiqui]

To me, the most important equality is that of opportunity, not result.

But the stunning disparity in result seems to indicate a lack of the equality of oppertunity, wouldn't you say? Showing that perhaps there IS a glass ceiling in most businesses and that a lot of voters may not vote for a woman simply because she is one (at the subconscious level). This is the same reason that aggressive men are lauded, but aggressive women are called *****. It's all about a double standard that needs to be changed, and is being changed slowly... but feminism is needed to change it all the way.

[Jac de Molay]

Men, are more "successful" at getting these positions, not because they are handed them on a silver platter, but because they are more willing to neglect all other responsibilities in their lives, and become workaholics... Something not too many women are good at.

What the hell is this supposed to mean? Do you have some empirical evidence that supports the notion that women are somehow less willing/able to make the same sacrifices in moving up in the world?

At any rate, modern feminism isn't a doctrine of us vs. them. Real feminist groups address the entire spectrum of womanhood in modern society. It's not just about jobs and equality.

[GePap]

As much as it may pain me to be agreeing with Japher( ):

I am not one who think men and womne are totally the same, with al the differences being gender based. there are some basic differences, and the sought out results can change with this. Obviosuly no one has done a study of this (too politically charged), but I would start by saying that I do not think as many women as men have as thier greatest ambition to rule.

I agree that there are still plenty of sexist ideas, just as there are racist ideas, but changing these is bound to be slow without radical action, the sort of radical action not friendly to democracy. To me, removing the more obvious forms of descrimination, and punishing outright descrimination is the way to go, and in that we have succeeded greatly.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by monkspider
It comes down to this I guess, as a commie, I can't support a movement that is so divisive and bigoted in good conscience.

The VAST majority of communists are feminists in word, if not in deed. Like being a Xian commie, being an openly anti-feminist commie puts you on the lunitic fringe of the lunitic fringe.

So, how do women have superiority? Do women control the government? Do women control most of our corporations? Do they control a significant minority of our corporations? Or do they control a tiny handful of corporations? Do women control higher education? Do they represent a majority of college professors? Do they get equal pay even when accounting for taking time off to have children? Do they only have to do half the household chores? Are they disproportionately more likely to be in poverty than men? Do men suffer a disproportionate amount of physical abuse? Are men more likely to be murdered by their spouses than vice versa? Is the number one cause of death of men with pregnant wives murder? Are men told they need to be anorexic to be beautiful? Are they told they have to be blonde to be attractive? Are they told they have to have implants put into their body to be attractive? Are men more likely to be patronized when expressing their opinions? Are aggressive men likely to be referred to as "b*tches?" Do advertisments frequently show men in images of sexual subservience? When was the last time you saw a woman on tv (or intimating) talking about how great it would be to have sex with to male twins or even just multiple partners?

Gosh, doing better in school and more frequently getting the kids in divorce really make up for all of the above.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Jeez Che... that was a HELL of a rant!