Bush Administration's latest excuse...

[Whaleboy]

Hillary Clinton for President 2008!!! Like to see her with some female intern

[Whaleboy]

Actually, not sure thats such a bad idea!! Think America could use the female touch, as opposed to riding around in tanks all the time.

[oedo]

Sava: http://www.washingtonfreepress.org/6...tunityAges.htm

there are countless links about this issue, if you care to take a look:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22some+catastrophic+and+catalyzing+event+-+like+a+new+Pearl+Harbor%22&btnG=Google+Suche

[Whaleboy]

Just seen the link. Ladies and gentlemen, we are witnessing the death of American democracy.

[GePap]

The notion that it was done for beaurocratic reasons is absurd, and another outright lie. WMD and ties to Al qaeda were chosen because that was the only way to make the case to the American people that Iraq was a direct threat to the US. Yesterday in ahrdball they showed a poll taken March 20, for the reason people backed the war: 27% said regime change was most important, 48% said removal of WMD's. The only way the Admin. could have built the type of public support they did was to paint Saddam as a direct threat (hence the inclusion in the Axis of evil, whic had to be about more than just being a dictator).

The sad part is that the People, the same that didn;t really care about liberation, now accept that liberation wasd always what they hoped for, and if the info. on WMD's was incorrect, well, harmless lie.... I wonder how mnay more "harmless" lie from this admin., or just from future governments will the people of the US allow.

[Whaleboy]

GePap: Are we both smelling the same thing? Are we smelling the foul odour of desparation among the Americans to keep this war justified?

[oedo]

take it easy, elijah! yet they are only links. but this issue definetly needs more investigation than it got up to now.

[Whaleboy]

"take it easy, elijah"

Awww, but its fun to be melodramatic!!

[Sava]

nice link oedo...

I think most people don't want to admit to themselves that their government isn't a bastion of freedom and democracy. It's so easy to ignore the facts and go on with their lives like nothing is wrong.

I can't say that I blame the sheepish masses. It's hard to compete with TV. And the American media is a powerful machine of misinformation.

[orange]

...can't stand that stupid son of b*tch.

Son of *****!! I kill you!!

[Whaleboy]

I sincerely hope this situation is rectified soon. Any ideas?

[Sava]

Originally posted by elijah
I sincerely hope this situation is rectified soon. Any ideas?

yeah... 18 months... next election. That's the only "legal" way. I still think it's hilarious that Clinton got put through the impeachment process for lying about sex. Yet, Bush is lying about war, WMD, terrorism, etc; all more important than sex; yet there is no public outrage.

[Whaleboy]

Apparently having "relations" with an intern is worse than scr3wing humanity!

[Sava]

now you're getting it!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by elijah
Look how well that turned out.

Pretty well, all things considered. More can and should be done however.

Id hardly say that striking Afghanistan was an effective act of self defence, considering it served to anger the same people who could potentially attack you.

The people that wanted to attack us were already angry. Do you suggest that the police shouldn't cracdown on criminal organizations because it might make them angry?

Besides, I always assumed Afghanistan was a form of bloodletting to give America a sense of gratification after the wounded pride of 9/11.

What does that have to do with the notion of self defense as it is enshrined in international law? Turning the other cheek, a laudible notion as it is, is an unworkable utopian ideal in the international realm.