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    Just read this from Yahoo news: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...q_wolfowitz_dc


    LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The U.S. decision to stress the threat posed by Iraq (news - web sites)'s supposed weapons of mass destruction above all others was taken for "bureaucratic" reasons to justify the war, U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz was quoted as saying in remarks released on Wednesday.

    Wolfowitz, seen as one of the most hawkish figures in the Bush administration's policy on Iraq, said President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s alleged cache of chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons was merely one of several reasons behind the decision to go to war.

    "For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was the one reason everyone could agree on," Wolfowitz was quoted as saying in Vanity Fair magazine's July issue.

    No chemical or biological weapons have been found in Iraq despite repeated assertions by President Bush (news - web sites) and British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) before the March 20 invasion that the threat posed by Saddam's vast stocks of banned weapons warranted a war to eliminate them.

    The United Nations (news - web sites) and America's allies were not convinced by the argument that it was justification for a war, which was launched amid protests in many world capitals. Washington's ties were major allies France and Germany are still strained.

    Wolfowitz said another reason for the invasion had been "almost unnoticed but huge" -- namely that the ousting of Saddam would allow the United States to remove its troops from Saudi Arabia, where their presence had long been a major al Qaeda grievance.

    "Just lifting that burden from the Saudis is itself going to open the door" to a more peaceful Middle East, Wolfowitz was quoted as saying.

    The magazine said he made the remarks days before suicide bombings, attributed to al Qaeda, against Western targets in Riyadh and Casablanca two weeks ago that killed 75 people.

    The United States announced last month that it was ending military operations in Saudi Arabia, where they have long generated Arab resentment because of their proximity to Islam's holiest sites.

    Wolfowitz's remarks were released a day after Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, seeking to explain why no weapons of mass destruction had been found, said Iraq may have destroyed them before the U.S.-led invasion.

    So, now, all that about WMD was all pure BS, as I suspected from day one.

    Now the excuse was to save $$ from deploying in Saudi Arabia. Sorry, that's still no reason to launch a war and topple a regime. Considering the Cold War cost more than all other wars in history combined, why didn't the US just obliterate Russia back in the day and save all those trillions??

    All this just proves is that the US blatantly misled the world about WMD (of course, preferable phrasing is "bureacratic reasons") when there were other intentions behind it. Should I find reasons to believe the US any more in the future? Hell no!

    Well, I never did anyway...

    "All of us have heard this term 'preventive war' since the earliest days of Hitler. I recall that is about the first time I heard it. In this day and time...I don't believe there is such a thing; and, frankly, I wouldn't even listen to anyone seriously that came in and talked about such a thing."

    -USA President Dwight Eisenhower, 1953, upon being presented with plans to wage preventive war to disarm Stalin's Soviet Union
    A true ally stabs you in the front.

    Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)

  • #2
    Yep - now let all the Apolyton Conservatives repeat after me.

    "Bush was full of ****".

    "Bush lied and we fell for it"

    "The Lefties told us he was lying, but we were too dumb to believe them"

    "We won't believe what Bush tells us again."
    Only feebs vote.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Agathon
      Yep - now let all the Apolyton Conservatives repeat after me.

      "Bush was full of ****".

      "Bush lied and we fell for it"

      "The Lefties told us he was lying, but we were too dumb to believe them"

      "We won't believe what Bush tells us again."
      You don't want much do you?



      ACK!
      Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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      • #4
        Well Agathon, at least I wasn't defending Fidel Castro. Even my sister, who is a socialist, can't stand that stupid son of b*tch.

        Anyways... back to the point.. what excuse? I don't see any excuse here. I see reasons.

        And you lefties are hardly the people to trust when it comes to lying or not. I grant it to you, you are the experts at lying.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #5
          The world is better off without Saddam running a country. Just admiting that little fact will help you start upon the road to letting go of your hate.
          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Fez
            Well Agathon, at least I wasn't defending Fidel Castro. Even my sister, who is a socialist, can't stand that stupid son of b*tch.

            Anyways... back to the point.. what excuse? I don't see any excuse here. I see reasons.

            And you lefties are hardly the people to trust when it comes to lying or not. I grant it to you, you are the experts at lying.
            Fidel is a great man. HLVS!

            Anyway, gotta run I hear the sound of approaching helicopters....
            Only feebs vote.

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            • #7
              Can the US at least do some decent state-building this time around? I am not impressed with the way it abandoned Afghanistan (or the way it verbally abused Canada, Germany, Belgium, etc. despite the fact that we are picking up the pieces after it in Aghaniland).
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              • #8
                Zen

                your Eisenhower quote is interesting, do you know roughly what was the timeframe when the US had atomic weapons but the USSR did not (ie when the hawks plan would have been feasible)?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Oerdin
                  The world is better off without Saddam running a country. Just admiting that little fact will help you start upon the road to letting go of your hate.
                  Yeah - did you see the sewage filled streets today? And the Kurds and Arabs shooting each other? And the guy buying a loaf of bread with a sack full of banknotes? And the pissed off Iraquis shooting at the troops?

                  A great place for a holiday. Wish you were there.
                  Only feebs vote.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Oerdin
                    The world is better off without Saddam running a country. Just admiting that little fact will help you start upon the road to letting go of your hate.
                    same recycled moral excuse... try thinking of a new one next time...
                    A true ally stabs you in the front.

                    Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by reds4ever
                      Zen....?
                      Best sig I've seen on Apolyton so far R4E. Pity my beloved Newcastle beat them out for the CL next season. Heh heh....
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #12
                        well, at least we all -including the conservatives- should agree that this kind of politics shouldn´t become the accepted thing.

                        it´s like a pool game I recently played. I was the one who finished the black ball. however I shot it into another hole than I announced before. that´s why I lost.
                        justice is might

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Agathon


                          Fidel is a great man. HLVS!

                          Anyway, gotta run I hear the sound of approaching helicopters....
                          What would you say if you were one of those dissidents who was executed?

                          Nice man indeed.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by reds4ever
                            Zen

                            your Eisenhower quote is interesting, do you know roughly what was the timeframe when the US had atomic weapons but the USSR did not (ie when the hawks plan would have been feasible)?
                            yes, the US had a nuclear monopoly from 1945-1949. However, the fact that the US still had vastly superior delivery systems (i.e. long-range bombers) gave them an advantage for many years after. Still, the USSR could have launched some limited nuclear strike against Europe which might have been politically unacceptable, hence the beginning of deterrence.
                            A true ally stabs you in the front.

                            Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Fez

                              What would you say if you were one of those dissidents who was executed?
                              This:

                              "Wow I was really stupid and evil to try and undercut the Cuban revolution so that Cubans could go back to being the slaves of the US and our children could spend the day in sweatshops instead of going to school."
                              Only feebs vote.

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