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"What more will the opposition to Bush pull out of their hat of lies"
"Yes, we know there are WMD's in Iraq."
"Yes, we know there are WMD's in Iraq."
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Originally posted by Master Zen
what troll Ming?
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Obviously many will come home, but that was going to happen anyway. Many will stay in the region to make sure the job is done in Iraq. I heard we are building bases in Bahrain to accomodate the loss of bases in Saudi Arabia, so we aren't saving money. And I'm not sure who you are quoting with that "peaceful and safe" Middle East, the administration has repeatedly made it clear we will be there for quite a while because the ME is not peaceful and safe.Comment
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Yes.. oh Somalia it was with Bairre... and Ethoipia too with Mengistu... ALL VERY FINE EXAMPLES... not...Originally posted by elijah
Ah well! In all fairness to Fez , there are better examples of communism working, and working well, than Cuba.
Eeek.. I better stop drinking Red Bull at night...
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I have a question for pro-war people here :
- do you sincerely think WMDs were the first motivation of the administration to attack Iraq, or one of the most important reasons ?
- do you think the liberation of the Iraqi people was the major aim of the administration when attacking ?
- If not, did you think so before the beginning of the war ?
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With many more billions heading in the direction of the US military (in the face of massive recent tax cuts), I'm pretty sure theyre not too worried about saving money at this stage.
This of course, worries me, as I fear we may face yet another military "adventure"."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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"Yes.. oh Somalia it was with Bairre... and Ethoipia too with Mengistu... ALL VERY FINE EXAMPLES... not...
Eeek.. I better stop drinking Red Bull at night"
Ummm, again with the thread jacking (Im sorry I probably encouraged it though ).... You want to continue this, PM me or start another thread, but for now, I think the people want to hear about Bush's failure to back up his evidence.
Spiffor, you know I am not exactly what one might describe as pro-war, but in answer to your questions, no, no and no!!
It is somewhat naive imo to claim that the true motivations were anything other than money (oil and arms) and political gain at home."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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You don't speak for the people.I think the people want to hear about Bush's failure to back up his evidence.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Iran, Syria, N. Korea, take your pickOriginally posted by elijah
With many more billions heading in the direction of the US military (in the face of massive recent tax cuts), I'm pretty sure theyre not too worried about saving money at this stage.
This of course, worries me, as I fear we may face yet another military "adventure".
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Yes you did...Originally posted by Fez
No I didn't.
The only Latin American country that had a good dictator was Chile
Took me ages to find that.Only feebs vote.Comment
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Sorry Agathon, I didn't say I liked him though. I just said he was good.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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- do you sincerely think WMDs were the first motivation of the administration to attack Iraq, or one of the most important reasons ?
No, as Wolfy said, it was just that which everyone could agree on.
- do you think the liberation of the Iraqi people was the major aim of the administration when attacking ?
Kind of... if you define liberation of the Iraqi people to mean getting rid of a dangerous dictator (which is almost but not quite the same).
- If not, did you think so before the beginning of the war ?
On which one? I didn't think either was the goal. The goal was to get Saddam out, and that is why I backed the war. I don't care about WMD one hoot! Now, getting rid of a dangerous anti-American dictator... that's one cause I can get behind.
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"You don't speak for the people"
Ditto
I speak for myself, and I interpret what I see. If you think it is anything other than a failure to back up his evidence, then explain that alternative explanation, otherwise, cease your ad hominems (which are really getting rather irritating), and use reasoning, which one can debate. Ad hominems only serve to stagnate an otherwise dynamic discussion.
Red Bull is good (just dont mix it )
They used a series of points to back up this war, the centrepiece of which is now looking like a dead duck, so it will be most interesting to see what happens now. Im guessing that the fallacious, emotive argument of dictatorship will be used by the US now. This argument is about as watertight as a sieve....
Needless to say, I dont really need to pull objectivity out of my "hat of lies"."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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No worries. Let's stop before Ming kills us.Originally posted by Fez
Sorry Agathon, I didn't say I liked him though. I just said he was good.
Only feebs vote.Comment
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Let's stop before Ming kills us.
Too late, the laser beam is aiming.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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