Bush Administration's latest excuse...

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Every thread starts when I get to it.

You should run for President

Anyhow it's getting too late for all this. nite, nite all

[Master Zen]

too late here too and as usual, not worth it

DinoDoc, since this thread started once you got here feel free to continue it as you wish...

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Master Zen
too late here too and as usual, not worth it

DinoDoc, since this thread started once you got here feel free to continue it as you wish...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by reds4ever
You should run for President

Thank you.

DinoDoc, since this thread started once you got here feel free to continue it as you wish...

I was going to give a serious reply to your post before this one but if you're not interested...

[Whaleboy]

"elijah mentioned 9/11 and I thought it was obvious that we were talking about Afghanistan"

Look how well that turned out. Id hardly say that striking Afghanistan was an effective act of self defence, considering it served to anger the same people who could potentially attack you. Did it destroy Al Qauda? Doesn't look like it. If anything, such foreign policy serves to polarise and anger them more. It would appear that if you are interested in stopping terrorism, that is exactly the response you dont want. You are not dealing with a conventional military that plays by the rules of conventional warfare. You are dealing with a largely civilian phenomenon that the military is ill equipped by its very nature, to stop.

Besides, I always assumed Afghanistan was a form of bloodletting to give America a sense of gratification after the wounded pride of 9/11. September 11th, 2001, as I have said many times before, GET OVER IT!!!

[Sava]

It's so sad that so many people bought the Bushies' reasons for going to war. Saddam is bad, don't get me wrong. It wasn't ever about whether or not Saddam was bad. Tony Blair made that case effectively. He told his people what he believed. But with Castro, Quadafi, the Saudi gov't, Kimg Jong Il, etc; around... I don't think Saddam sticks out as someone that needed to be removed with such urgency. Bush lied... plain and simple. How incompetent do you have to be in order to lie to get people to agree with the removal of Saddam?

sheesh! Wolfowitz is a jag-bag... that's all I have to say about him and his American Enterprise Institute, new-world-order, 4ssholes!

18 months until we can rid our country of these lying, self-serving wh0res that somehow squeeked their way into office.

[Whaleboy]

Is it true that the democrats actually got more votes than the republicans??? If so, why do the electoral colleges have any power whatsoever?

I dont like Saddam either, as a libertarian, he is everything that I fight against. However, my views, like the Americans on him are subjective, but I for one like to think that I have the objectivity to step back, view the big picture, and recognise the flaw of forcing my point of view on someone else. That is after what war is... the imposition of will.

[Jac de Molay]

Originally posted by elijah
Besides, I always assumed Afghanistan was a form of bloodletting to give America a sense of gratification after the wounded pride of 9/11. September 11th, 2001, as I have said many times before, GET OVER IT!!!

Well, the main source, the wellspring so to speak, of al-qaeda operations was in afghanistan, so I supported the invasion. Something had to be done.

As for Iraq, I'm not surprised we were lied to. The administration has used 9/11 for all kinds of purposes- including the next Rep convention. I find it most interesting that the media has backed off on the ultimate question -- Where's the Stuff?

[Whaleboy]

"Well, the main source, the wellspring so to speak, of al-qaeda operations was in afghanistan, so I supported the invasion. Something had to be done"

In principle perhaps, but not in practice, didnt really serve any purpose. A few people were captured, a few cells destroyed, a few training camps destroyed. Meantime America gets greater influence in that region, close to the central asian oil fields and china.

If they really wanted to stop the terrorism, theyd change their foreign policy, and have a more concerted, long term, low profile intelligence op.

[Sava]

Originally posted by elijah
Is it true that the democrats actually got more votes than the republicans??? If so, why do the electoral colleges have any power whatsoever?

Yes... even in Florida, where the recount was stopped, Gore came out 50,000 votes ahead. Funny how that happened in the state where Jeb Bush is governor. Overall, Gore got close to a million more votes. But that's water under the bridge now.

I dont like Saddam either, as a libertarian, he is everything that I fight against. However, my views, like the Americans on him are subjective, but I for one like to think that I have the objectivity to step back, view the big picture, and recognise the flaw of forcing my point of view on someone else. That is after what war is... the imposition of will.

Yes. I wouldn't be so up in arms against the war if it truly was about liberation. But Bush cares more about passing on pork and wasting taxpayer money than any moral cause. Iraq was planned well in advance of him even taking office, let alone 9-11. The most outrageous load of crap he sold the American people was equating 9-11 with Saddam. Most polls around the US showed that the majority of people think Saddam directly was responsible for 9-11. Democracy cannot function in the face of such ignorance.

[oedo]

If they really wanted to stop the terrorism, theyd change their foreign policy, and have a more concerted, long term, low profile intelligence op.

the Bush admin profits from terrorism. terrorism gives them any argument to do whatever serves their needs.

[Whaleboy]

Agreed. If I am correct, there wasnt a single Iraqi hijacker on the 9/11 flights!!! I believe that Saddam Hussein hated Al-Quada in the first place... they had no love for each. Selling lies, propaganda and simplistic rubbish wrapped up in the flag is not good enough in this day and age imo.

[Whaleboy]

Its in the Americans interest to keep the Middle East unstable. Where do you think the arms industry makes an absolute killing, so to speak?

[Whaleboy]

Oedo's sig:

"It was amazing I won. I was running against peace and prosperity and incumbency.

George W. Bush, speaking with the Swedish Prime Minister, unaware that live cameras were rolling"

[Sava]

Originally posted by elijah
Agreed. If I am correct, there wasnt a single Iraqi hijacker on the 9/11 flights!!! I believe that Saddam Hussein hated Al-Quada in the first place... they had no love for each. Selling lies, propaganda and simplistic rubbish wrapped up in the flag is not good enough in this day and age imo.

Yup, And that's why I'm so upset. I'm actually more disappointed in Bush's ineptitude politically. From a political POV, mustering support for removing a tyranical, murderous dictator should be easy. Blair did it. But Bush had to lie.

And in terms of the war and getting world-wide support... Bush should have agreed with France's little reported "alternative". Which was to put in 50,000 UN troops to take over inspection. That would have no doubt given the US the solid UN support it needed to legitimize it's war. Again... another political blunder. But in retrospect, this would have been a bad idea for Bush because it seems as if there weren't any weapons to find anyways!

oedo- Bush doesn't necessarily "profit" from terror. But you are on the right track. In the American Enterprise Institute's published 2000 report on MidEast "reform". They mentioned the benefit of a domestic terror-act to their political agenda.