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    U.S. Eyes Pressing Uprising In Iran
    Officials Cite Al Qaeda Links, Nuclear Program

    y Glenn Kessler
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Sunday, May 25, 2003; Page A01

    The Bush administration, alarm-ed by intelligence suggesting that al Qaeda operatives in Iran had a role in the May 12 suicide bombings in Saudi Arabia, has suspended once-promising contacts with Iran and appears ready to embrace an aggressive policy of trying to destabilize the Iranian government, administration officials said.

    Senior Bush administration officials will meet Tuesday at the White House to discuss the evolving strategy toward the Islamic republic, with Pentagon officials pressing hard for public and private actions that they believe could lead to the toppling of the government through a popular uprising, officials said.

    The State Department, which had encouraged some form of engagement with the Iranians, appears inclined to accept such a policy, especially if Iran does not take any visible steps to deal with the suspected al Qaeda operatives before Tuesday, officials said. But State Department officials are concerned that the level of popular discontent there is much lower than Pentagon officials believe, leading to the possibility that U.S. efforts could ultimately discredit reformers in Iran.

    In any case, the Saudi Arabia bombings have ended the tentative signs of engagement between Iran and the United States that had emerged during the wars against Afghanistan and Iraq.

    U.S. and Iranian officials had met periodically to discuss issues of mutual concern, including search- and-rescue missions and the tracking down of al Qaeda operatives. But, after the suicide bombings at three residential compounds in Riyadh, the Bush administration canceled the next planned meeting.

    "We're headed down the same path of the last 20 years," one State Department official said. "An inflexible, unimaginative policy of just say no."

    U.S. officials have also been deeply concerned about Iran's nuclear weapons program, which has the support of both elected reformers and conservative clerics. The Bush administration has pressed the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, to issue a critical report next month on Iran's nuclear activities. Officials have sought to convince Russia and China -- two major suppliers of Iran's nuclear power program -- that Iran is determined to possess nuclear weapons, a campaign that one U.S. official said is winning support.

    But a major factor in the new stance toward Iran consists of what have been called "very troubling intercepts" before and after the Riyadh attacks, which killed 34 people, including nine suicide bombers. The intercepts suggested that al Qaeda operatives in Iran were involved in the planning of the bombings.

    Earlier this week, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld accused Iran of harboring al Qaeda members. "There's no question but that there have been and are today senior al Qaeda leaders in Iran, and they are busy," Rumsfeld said. Iranian officials, however, have vehemently denied that they have granted al Qaeda leaders safe haven in the country.

    Until the Saudi bombings, some officials said, Iran had been relatively cooperative on al Qaeda. Since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, Iran has turned over al Qaeda officials to Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. In talks, U.S. officials had repeatedly warned Iranian officials that if any al Qaeda operatives in Iran are implicated in attacks against Americans, it would have serious consequences for relations between the two countries.

    Those talks, however, were held with representatives of Iran's foreign ministry. Other parts of the Iranian government are controlled not by elected reformers, but by conservative mullahs.

    A senior administration official who is skeptical of the Pentagon's arguments said most of the al Qaeda members -- fewer than a dozen -- appear to be located in an isolated area of northeastern Iran, near the border with Afghanistan. He described the area as a drug-smuggling terrorist haven that is tolerated by key members of the Revolutionary Guards in part because they skim money off some of the activities there. It is not clear how much control the central Iranian government has over this area, he said.

    "I don't think the elected government knows much about it," he said. "Why should you punish the rest of Iran," he asked, just because the government cannot act in this area?

    Flynt Leverett, who recently left the White House to join the Brookings Institution's Saban Center for Middle East Policy, said the administration may be taking a gamble. "It is imprudent to assume that the Islamic Republic will collapse like a house of cards in a time frame that is going to be meaningful to us," he said. "What it means is we will end up with an Iran that has nuclear weapons and no dialogue with the United States with regard to our terrorist concerns."

    Ever since President Bush labeled Iran last year as part of an "axis of evil" -- along with North Korea and Iraq -- the administration has struggled to define its policy toward the Islamic republic, which terminated relations with the United States after Iran's 1979 revolution. The administration never formally adopted a policy of "regime change," but it also never seriously tried to establish a dialogue.

    In July, Bush signaled a harder line when he issued a strongly worded presidential statement in which he praised large pro-democracy street demonstrations in Iran. Administration officials said at the time that they had abandoned any hope of working with President Mohammad Khatami and his reformist allies in the Iranian government, and would turn their attention toward democracy supporters among the Iranian people.

    But the prospect of war with Iraq reopened some discreet contacts, which took place under U.N. supervision in Europe. The contacts encouraged some in the State Department to believe that there was an opening for greater cooperation.

    In an interview in February with the Los Angeles Times, Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage drew a distinction between the confrontational approach the administration had taken with Iraq and North Korea and the approach it had adopted with Iran. "The axis of evil was a valid comment, [but] I would note there's one dramatic difference between Iran and the other two axes of evil, and that would be its democracy. [And] you approach a democracy differently," Armitage said.

    At one of the meetings, in early January, the United States signaled that it would target the Iraq-based camps of the Mujaheddin-e Khalq (MEK), or People's Mujaheddin, a major group opposing the Iranian government.

    The MEK soon became caught up in the policy struggle between the State Department and the Pentagon.

    After the camps were bombed, the U.S. military arranged a cease-fire with the group, infuriating the Iranians. Some Pentagon officials, impressed by the military discipline and equipment of the thousands of MEK troops, began to envision them as a potential military force for use against Tehran, much like the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan.

    But the MEK is also listed as a terrorist organization by the State Department. Under pressure from State, the White House earlier this month ordered the Pentagon to disarm the MEK troops -- a decision that was secretly conveyed by U.S. officials to Iranian representatives at a meeting in Geneva on May 3.

    Nine days later, the suicide bombers struck in Saudi Arabia.
    the usual suspects: nuclear weapons and terrorism.
    this is how it started in Iraq as well one year ago. now the US is raising enmity on one of the most civilized and progressive countries of the Middle East.
    where will this all end?
    Last edited by oedo; May 25, 2003, 12:06.
    justice is might

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    now the US is raising enmity on the most civilized and progressive country of the Middle East.


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    • #3
      okok, except Israel, if you count it to the ME.
      justice is might

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      • #4
        Iran would be a pretty tough nut to crack, although I've no doubt that America would manage if they put their backs into it and were willing to lose thousands of troops. They'd get no help from Britain, mercifully.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by oedo
          okok, except Israel, if you count it to the ME.
          What about Turkey or Jordan?
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          • #6
            now the US is raising enmity on the most civilized and progressive country of the Middle East.
            We haven't exactly been on friendly terms since that whole embassy invasion thing.
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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            • #7
              I dont think there will be any "new" wars until after the 2004 elections.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoDoc
                We haven't exactly been on friendly terms since that whole embassy invasion thing.
                Well, we know what your last regime change in Iran created about 20 years later.
                “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                • #9
                  I doubt even then. We've already adopted two countries already. I don't see how Bush can sell to the country adopting another.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HershOstropoler
                    Well, we know what your last regime change in Iran created about 20 years later.
                    Yes the world might have been better off had the UK dealt with Mosaddeq on a more equitable basis.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #11
                      I think Iran is too dangerous and not isolated enough for the US to attack it. The US would have to isolate Iran first, and to prune it economically before going there.

                      Besides, like in Syria, the population isn't fundamentally opposed to the regime, which is much less despotic than Saddam's, and lies on the population's apathy rather than fear (fear is still used, but not at the massive and systematic scale of Iraq). That means the population could be nearly 100% hostile to the Yanks in a scenario invasion = bad and dangerous.

                      I expect the barking to continue for some time between the two countries, especially now that the French-bashing seems to be abating. However, the solution will be found on the diplomatic level.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DinoDoc
                        Yes the world might have been better off had the UK dealt with Mosaddeq on a more equitable basis.
                        What exactly happened with Mossadeq, and why did the US overthrow him ?
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                        • #13
                          What silly people. That just means Iran will push ahead with the nuclear programme on double time.
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                          • #14
                            Btw, this should be of interest to DanS:

                            In an interview in February with the Los Angeles Times, Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage drew a distinction between the confrontational approach the administration had taken with Iraq and North Korea and the approach it had adopted with Iran. "The axis of evil was a valid comment, [but] I would note there's one dramatic difference between Iran and the other two axes of evil, and that would be its democracy. [And] you approach a democracy differently," Armitage said.
                            “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                            • #15
                              Perhaps the intelliegence about Iran ties to Al qaeda is as solid as the intelliegence of Iraqi ties to Al qaeda....

                              The last things refrmers in Iran need is to gain the label of American puppets from the rightwing in Iran, which would give it a good excuse to crack down more than they currently can, given public opinion. The days fo the Islamic republic as is are already numbered, due to purely Iranian developments. It will take many years, but change is inevitable.
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