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**Al B. Sure!** · May 25, 2003, 02:23

Well I am going to bed anyways.. I am guessing my mexican friend will have to aswell.

if he gets to come to your bed how come I can't?

**Master Zen** · May 25, 2003, 02:24

Originally posted by Fez

That is false. The Mirage 2000 is not better than the F-16 and isn't even close.

Name one country in Latin America that has the Mirage 2000. Argentina has old Mirage 5s and IIIs.. Peru has MiG-29s.. Ecuador has Jaguars.. Colombia has Israeli Built aircraft...

Peru

**Giancarlo** · May 25, 2003, 02:24

Originally posted by Albert Speer

if he gets to come to your bed how come I can't?

Oh damn.. I didn't mean that... that came out completely wrong.. freudian slip I guess.

I really didn't mean that.

Hey, Zen.. thanks for not reading the edit.

**Master Zen** · May 25, 2003, 02:26

Just because we are from spanish decent does not make us "spanish". Every latin american is a mixture of indian/black and european blood to a greater of lesser extent.

**Master Zen** · May 25, 2003, 02:29

Originally posted by Fez

Oh damn.. I didn't mean that... that came out completely wrong.. freudian slip I guess.

I really didn't mean that.

Hey, Zen.. thanks for not reading the edit.

damn I missed it!!!!

**Joseph** · May 25, 2003, 02:33

Originally posted by Master Zen

I am unaware of the precise specs of the initial Mustang variant, the P-51B (without the bubbly canopy) but from what I've read, the P-51D was probably superior to the merlin-engined Spitfires (notably Mk. IX and below) whereas the Griffon-engined Spits were superior to the P-51D (major variants being the Mk. XII and XIV and some Seafire variants). There was a final version of the mustang, the P-51H which entered service in small numbers shortly before the war ended, it was probably on par with these.

P-51B =440 at 30,000 ft. Range w/2 tanks 1250 miles
P-51D =437 at 25,000 ft. Range w/2 tanks 1650 miles.
P-51H =460 at 20,000 ft. Combat Radlius w/2 tanks 1125 miles
Spitfire
Mark
1 =355 at 19,000 Range 395 miles
V =374 at 13,000 " 1135
VII=408 at 25,000 " 1180
VIII=408 at 25,000 " 1180
IX = 408 at 25,000 " 980
X = 416 at 27,000 " 1360
XI = 422 at 27,500 " 2000
XII = 393 at 18,000 " 493
XIV= 448 at 26,000 " 850
XVIII=442 at 25,000 " 850
XIX = 446 at 26,000 " 1550
F.21 = 454 at 26,000 " 880
F.24 = 450 at 19,000 " 965
Seafire 1 = 365 at 16,000 " 770
Seafire III= 352 at 12,250 " 725
Seafire 47= 451 at 20,000 " 1475
The Mustang H was the fastest. only 5 Spitfires was faster than the D model. 1 Spits had more range than the D model.

**Serb** · May 25, 2003, 02:33

Originally posted by Fez

I disagree. They were not light years ahead of anything.

What a dumb post, serb. I know your history.

Me262 had speed of 900 kmph. 200 kmph faster than your beloved P-51. Only such

as you are may claim that Me262 wasn't superiour to fighters of Allies.

**Al B. Sure!** · May 25, 2003, 02:34

Master Zen:

A lot of people exaggerate the indian/black mixture in hispanics... a place like Puerto Rico for example had the native population wiped out at the start of colonization and there never was a significant slave population so Puerto Ricans are basically the same as any Castillian or Catalonyan. the same can be repeated through most latin american countries where the native population is pretty low and blacks were not too known for freely mixing with the Spanish population. Though countries like Bolivia and Peru are mostly native or native/Spanish and Brazil and Trinidad are black or black/european, the typical Latin American is mostly Spanish.

Plenty of people in the US are mixed but they still consider themselves a certain thing... an average black person could easily say they are a quarter Seminole and 1/8th Scotch-Irish but they would still say they are black. A white person would also still say he is white though his grandmother may have been a Cherokee. Why Spanish in Latin America take these percentages and suddenly declare themselves a new race is beyond me

thanks

**Giancarlo** · May 25, 2003, 02:35

Originally posted by Serb

Me262 had speed of 900 kmph. 200 kmph faster than your beloved P-51. Only such

as you are may claim that Me262 wasn't superiour to fighters of Allies.

Proof, not crap.

So you would of supported the Nazis?

Geez.. that explains a lot about you. I know you.. full of crap.

**Joseph** · May 25, 2003, 02:40

Originally posted by Serb

Me262 had speed of 900 kmph. 200 kmph faster than your beloved P-51. Only such

as you are may claim that Me262 wasn't superiour to fighters of Allies.

Then explain why some P-51s shot down some Me-262?

**Al B. Sure!** · May 25, 2003, 02:40

Fez:

The Me262 was a very effective aircraft. the problem was that Germany lacked the experienced pilots to pilot it, they lacked the jet fuel, and the engine needed to be refitted constantly... still, even with usually no more than four Me262's taking on whole bomber formations, they were amazingly effective, rarely suffering loses and taking down plenty of Allied aircraft. Some historians hypothesize that if the Germans had actually been able to get all their Me262's up in the air at the same time, they would have shot down hundreds of allied planes.

**Al B. Sure!** · May 25, 2003, 02:42

Joseph:

I think you know why... P-51 pilots learned that the Me262's were most vulnerable when landing because if suddenly attacked, they could not quickly accelerate to escape the American planes... most P-51's that shot down Me262's did so with this tactic

**Joseph** · May 25, 2003, 02:42

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Master Zen:

A lot of people exaggerate the indian/black mixture in hispanics... a place like Puerto Rico for example had the native population wiped out at the start of colonization and there never was a significant slave population so Puerto Ricans are basically the same as any Castillian or Catalonyan. the same can be repeated through most latin american countries where the native population is pretty low and blacks were not too known for freely mixing with the Spanish population. Though countries like Bolivia and Peru are mostly native or native/Spanish and Brazil and Trinidad are black or black/european, the typical Latin American is mostly Spanish.

Plenty of people in the US are mixed but they still consider themselves a certain thing... an average black person could easily say they are a quarter Seminole and 1/8th Scotch-Irish but they would still say they are black. A white person would also still say he is white though his grandmother may have been a Cherokee. Why Spanish in Latin America take these percentages and suddenly declare themselves a new race is beyond me
thanks

My GG Grandmother was Cherokee. In the 1870s, they would have called me a haft breed, oh well.

**Joseph** · May 25, 2003, 02:45

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Joseph:

I think you know why... P-51 pilots learned that the Me262's were most vulnerable when landing because if suddenly attacked, they could not quickly accelerate to escape the American planes... most P-51's that shot down Me262's did so with this tactic

I know. I just wanted Serb to tell me in his way

.

**Serb** · May 25, 2003, 02:53

You better ask Fez why he believe that P-51 was superiour to Me262. I have no desire to talk with him. It's like

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