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Originally posted by Master Zen
or probably because it was far superior to any other plane of its time?
or probably because it was far superior to any other plane of its time?
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I disagree with that bald headed statement.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence) -
Sorry to bust your bubble but practically every professional account of WW2 military aviation agrees with my bald headed statementOriginally posted by Fez
I disagree with that bald headed statement.
A true ally stabs you in the front.
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Joseph:
That's not a Curtiss XP whatever... that was a pic of a Japanese experimental plane..."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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That is just plain bull****.Originally posted by Master Zen
Sorry to bust your bubble but practically every professional account of WW2 military aviation agrees with my bald headed statement
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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yep, my data is remarkably similar:Originally posted by Joseph
Yak 1 = 8,700
Yak 3 = 4,850
Yak 7 = 6,400
Yak 9D = 16,800
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36,750
Yak-1: 8,721
Yak-3: 4,848
Yak-7: 6,399
Yak-9: 16,769 (All Yak-9 variants not just D)A true ally stabs you in the front.
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I'm just telling you were I got the book, I have said nothing about were you may have found your source.Originally posted by Fez
Well what about my site?
So it is a piece of crap now because your source says something completely different?
To my left, there are three book cases, full of military books. I have more book in my garage and more in a file cabinet. I also have more than 3,000 military model of aeroplane, tanks, cars, etc., in my garage. Someday I will take picture of it and post it here so everyone will know that I,m not kidding around when I discuss the Military or it's equiptment. Just remember that I worked for the military for 33 years.Comment
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yeah, whatever...Originally posted by Fez
That is just plain bull****.
A true ally stabs you in the front.
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and to Fez and Master Zen:
There were many versions of both the Mustang and the Spitfire... Some Spitfires were superior to the P-51A (i think it was A but the originals in 1943) but were inferior to the better known P-51's of 1944... Supermarine Spitfires, especially past the Spitfire X I believe, were superior to the P-51's... so both of you are right depending on what specific version of each plane you're comparing.
and there's also the carrier version of the Spitfire, the Seafire to also complicate matters."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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Well I am not talking about you nor me. But the sources.. is my source not credible?Originally posted by Joseph
I'm just telling you were I got the book, I have said nothing about were you may have found your source.
To my left, there are three book cases, full of military books. I have more book in my garage and more in a file cabinet. I also have more than 3,000 military model of aeroplane, tanks, cars, etc., in my garage. Someday I will take picture of it and post it here so everyone will know that I,m not kidding around when I discuss the Military or it's equiptment. Just remember that I worked for the military for 33 years.
Anyways, the Republic aircraft I was talking about is my fav now.. lol..For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I've wanted to buy that book for a while now, however, the price is rather steep for this cash-strapped college studentOriginally posted by Joseph
I'm a member of Military Book Club, and I got this book about 2 months ago. It is new. They have a web site. Add .com to the name and you can see the site.
The book isn't really that new though, I think it had a different name before actually, when I first found it at amazon it was out of print, perhaps this is a new edition with a new name.A true ally stabs you in the front.
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We are so close that it don't matter. That mean that Mr. John Ellis did his home work before writing his book, The World War II Databook. This is a good read. The book list every battle almost and what was lost by all sides. And it list all production that they could account for of every material needed to fight a war.Originally posted by Master Zen
yep, my data is remarkably similar:
Yak-1: 8,721
Yak-3: 4,848
Yak-7: 6,399
Yak-9: 16,769 (All Yak-9 variants not just D)Comment
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I am unaware of the precise specs of the initial Mustang variant, the P-51B (without the bubbly canopy) but from what I've read, the P-51D was probably superior to the merlin-engined Spitfires (notably Mk. IX and below) whereas the Griffon-engined Spits were superior to the P-51D (major variants being the Mk. XII and XIV and some Seafire variants). There was a final version of the mustang, the P-51H which entered service in small numbers shortly before the war ended, it was probably on par with these.Originally posted by Albert Speer
and to Fez and Master Zen:
There were many versions of both the Mustang and the Spitfire... Some Spitfires were superior to the P-51A (i think it was A but the originals in 1943) but were inferior to the better known P-51's of 1944... Supermarine Spitfires, especially past the Spitfire X I believe, were superior to the P-51's... so both of you are right depending on what specific version of each plane you're comparing.
and there's also the carrier version of the Spitfire, the Seafire to also complicate matters.A true ally stabs you in the front.
Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)Comment
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I'm going to start saving some $$$ then, I guess it is worth the price (last time I checked it was like $80Originally posted by Joseph
We are so close that it don't matter. That mean that Mr. John Ellis did his home work before writing his book, The World War II Databook. This is a good read. The book list every battle almost and what was lost by all sides. And it list all production that they could account for of every material needed to fight a war.
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A true ally stabs you in the front.
Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)Comment
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Do I see Master Zen conceding? Well I concede partially... the Spitfire was just as good as the Mustang. Anyways, British aircraft design went downhill from then in my opinion.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Fez:
yeah and German aircraft design plummeted... in 1945, they had rocket fighters, jet fighters, jet bombers, the beginnings of vertical take off planes, the beginnings of forward swept wing aircraft, etc. amazing **** that was years ahead of the rest of the world. but since then, i can't think of a single German aircraft."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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