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  • #106
    Originally posted by Fez
    Do I see Master Zen conceding? Well I concede partially... the Spitfire was just as good as the Mustang. Anyways, British aircraft design went downhill from then in my opinion.
    nah, I'm not conceding, I'm just making my point clearer. I never said the Spit was superior to the Mustang in all respects, I said the Griffon-engined Spits were, I was also trying to make it clear that despite the Mustang's contribution to winning the air war, it was the Spit which was by far the best and most important allied fighter until then, and it was still just as important in the Allied arsenal in air operations not involving long-range bomber escort.

    As for British aircraft going downhill, what about the Tempest and the Meteor? Both were remarkable planes in their own right. Sure, post WW2-aviation is another thing, they didn't have enough $$ to keep up with US and Soviet designs, today it's just a shadow, besides the Harrier no major British combat aircraft in service (or planned) today is a 100% british venture.
    A true ally stabs you in the front.

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    • #107
      Originally posted by Master Zen
      it was the Spit which was by far the best and most important allied fighter until then,
      In which theater?
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      • #108
        Originally posted by Albert Speer
        Fez:

        yeah and German aircraft design plummeted... in 1945, they had rocket fighters, jet fighters, jet bombers, the beginnings of vertical take off planes, the beginnings of forward swept wing aircraft, etc. amazing **** that was years ahead of the rest of the world. but since then, i can't think of a single German aircraft.
        And on the other hand, the French haven't done that bad: Rafale, Mirage series...

        The Mirage III is along with the MiG-21 and the F-16 probably the most widely used post-war fighter.
        A true ally stabs you in the front.

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        • #109
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          In which theater?
          I believe the spit-mustang debate is centered on the European theater.
          A true ally stabs you in the front.

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          • #110
            Originally posted by Albert Speer
            Fez:

            yeah and German aircraft design plummeted... in 1945, they had rocket fighters, jet fighters, jet bombers, the beginnings of vertical take off planes, the beginnings of forward swept wing aircraft, etc. amazing **** that was years ahead of the rest of the world. but since then, i can't think of a single German aircraft.
            Because there are none. Every plane, the Germans have flown since 1945 has been British, or American. There has been some joint venture with England, Italy, etc.

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            • #111
              Originally posted by Master Zen


              And on the other hand, the French haven't done that bad: Rafale, Mirage series...

              The Mirage III is along with the MiG-21 and the F-16 probably the most widely used post-war fighter.
              The French aircraft weren't bad for their time.. but the French "airforce" has lagged greatly... in recent times.

              Master Zen, you must also accept the fact I can disagree with what you say.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #112
                Originally posted by Fez


                That is just plain bull****.

                Fez, Me262 was years, if not light years ahead of any other WW2 fighter.

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                • #113
                  Originally posted by Serb


                  Fez, Me262 was years, if not light years ahead of any other WW2 fighter.
                  I disagree. They were not light years ahead of anything.

                  What a dumb post, serb. I know your history.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #114
                    Originally posted by Joseph
                    Because there are none. Every plane, the Germans have flown since 1945 has been British, or American. There has been some joint venture with England, Italy, etc.
                    I recall Dornier making some patrol/transport aircraft used to some extent today
                    A true ally stabs you in the front.

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                    • #115
                      Ah yes.. the Tornado fighter jet... a favorite of mine.. built by Italy, Germany and Britain in the late 60s...

                      I completely forgot about it.

                      Well the Italians did spurn out something... the AMX Fighter jet. A good one for that matter..



                      Not very well known though. This project was only done by Italy... I think Brazil may have had a part as they received shipments of it, however.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #116
                        Originally posted by Fez


                        The French aircraft weren't bad for their time.. but the French "airforce" has lagged greatly... in recent times.

                        Master Zen, you must also accept the fact I can disagree with what you say.
                        Of course you can, isn't that the beauty of discussion in the first place?
                        A true ally stabs you in the front.

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                        • #117
                          Originally posted by Albert Speer
                          Joseph:

                          That's not a Curtiss XP whatever... that was a pic of a Japanese experimental plane...
                          You are correct, it is the Kyushu J7W1 Shinden. The XP-55 and the Shinden are very close if you don,t look hard.

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                          • #118
                            Even the AMX is a joint venture, it's an Italian/Brazilian plane actually

                            EDIT: EMBRAER was the Brazilian aircraft firm involved
                            A true ally stabs you in the front.

                            Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)

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                            • #119
                              Originally posted by Master Zen
                              I believe the spit-mustang debate is centered on the European theater.
                              Then how can we decide if a plain is the most important allied fighter if we only focus on 1/2 the conflict?
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                              • #120
                                Originally posted by Master Zen
                                Even the AMX is a joint venture, it's an Italian/Brazilian plane actually
                                Yes but I think Italian companies were the ones flipping most of the bill. And thus Italy got far more shipments of it.

                                Italy has 129 AMX fighters in total and Brazil has only 41.

                                Source:
                                http://www.mylima.com/airforce
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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