thank you france, germany, russia, china, etc

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Low profile?! Are you on crack? He sent his attack dogs following Powell around the global trying to whip people into an anti-American frenzy. He knew this crisis was his ticket out of the doghouse and he was right. 82% of Frenchmen are happy with him now instead of the minority prior to the crisis.

You are mixing everything up. Chirac was elected in May last year by 82% (election, not popularity gallup). The whole affair started in september and you heared nothing from Chirac before february soonest.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by DAVOUT


You are mixing everything up. Chirac was elected in May last year by 82% (election, not popularity gallup). The whole affair started in september and you heared nothing from Chirac before february soonest.

Ah yes, the famous popular revulsion against the far right.

A pity it didn't happen in 1940, but that's all in the past.

[gunkulator]

Originally posted by Agathon

It doesn't matter anyway, Chirac was on the side of right and you are just wrong. The given reasons for invading Iraq have not panned out and it's obvious that the real reasons were typically venal.

rofl! You're not serious. Chirac was taking orders from rich French business interests to keep the gravy train running. He knowingly and willingly aided a brutal regime that oppressed its people for his own personal benefit. Bush ain't no better, but please. Spare us the canonization of Chirac.

and you call yourself a communist...

What is so ironic about the whole Iraq thing is that for years France dumped all over the US for propping up nasty tinpot dictators during the cold war. Now that the tables are turned, we have to hear crap about the importance of "Soveriegn nations". My @ss. That doesn't mean squat to suffering people.

[Dinner]

Chirac's hypocracy is absolutely unbelievable especially since he was so busy condemning the US for acting in a similiar manner.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Agathon


I doubt it. I don't see AQ basically threatening to use nuclear weapons.

Then you are not looking. Or do you not remember the designs for "dirty" bombs and the nuclear weapons research found in the caves of Afghanistan?

To even insinuate that AQ and terrorism isn't the biggest global threat is to demonstrate a total lack of understanding on international issues. This is, however, a typical problem with many on the far left of things.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Chirac's hypocracy is absolutely unbelievable especially since he was so busy condemning the US for acting in a similiar manner.

On the contrary...his hypocracy is very believable. He has made a career of it, in fact!!

[Agathon]

Originally posted by PLATO1003

Then you are not looking. Or do you not remember the designs for "dirty" bombs and the nuclear weapons research found in the caves of Afghanistan?

Who's worse. I'm picking the US, which has killed far more innocent people than AQ.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Oerdin
America is an evil, evil place Agathon. Never forget it is far better to live in crappy Arab dictatorship.

Especially one, that like most crappy Arab dictatorships, is or has been propped up by the US against the wishes of its people.

You'll have to do a lot better than this Oerdin. At the moment the credibility of your avatar outmatches yours.

[Chris 62]

So, the UN agreed to something that happened whether they liked it or not.

What a headline..

"UN agrees to face reality"

Won't see that again anytime soon.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by gunkulator

rofl! You're not serious. Chirac was taking orders from rich French business interests to keep the gravy train running. He knowingly and willingly aided a brutal regime that oppressed its people for his own personal benefit. Bush ain't no better, but please. Spare us the canonization of Chirac.

You know - you too will have to do better than this. I said that it didn't matter what Chirac's motives were. My point was that the Ameri-scum weren't much different (in fact their motives were probably worse) and that Chirac was on the right side, albeit for different reasons.

You can flap on all you like, but this war was waged on fake pretexts partly to make sure that people of limited political awareness, like yourself, would vote for little George in the upcoming election. And you all bought it.

And don't give me that crap about the US helping the Iraqui people. Everyone with half a brain knows that foreign policy has very little to do with caring; and everyone who watched the news media knows that they slipped back to that excuse after all their others were shown to be wanting.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Agathon




Who's worse. I'm picking the US, which has killed far more innocent people than AQ.

There is no doubt that the US has caused innocents' deaths over the years. Of course we probably should not mention the vast numbers who live in freedom because of the US's actions. We would not want the leftist argument to be exposed for what it is, would we? Now, just how many people have AQ freed from oppression over their existence?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Agathon
Especially one, that like most crappy Arab dictatorships, is or has been propped up by the US against the wishes of its people.

You'll have to do a lot better than this Oerdin. At the moment the credibility of your avatar outmatches yours.

Aga: I'm really not to worried about how you feel. Your claims that the US is some terrible, horrible place are just groundless so I enjoy making fun of posts where you say it is. It's that simple.

[Sandman]

Since everyone's friends again, how about putting out the reconstruction contracts to competitive tender, or even giving the jobs to Iraqis?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by PLATO1003

There is no doubt that the US has caused innocents' deaths over the years. Of course we probably should not mention the vast numbers who live in freedom because of the US's actions.

Like Nicaraguans, Guatemalans, Salvadorians, Indonesians, East Timorese, etc.

And don't give me the World War II crap. You turned up late, when it suited you, and after the Germans had begun to take the worst of it. Then you helped out the Europeans and Japanese to suit your own purposes.

Hardly a record of selfless charity is it?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Sandman
Since everyone's friends again, how about putting out the reconstruction contracts to competitive tender, or even giving the jobs to Iraqis?

As if that's going to happen. It will be jobs for the boys as usual.