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    thank you france, germany, russia, china, etc

    UNSC passes lifting of sanctions on iraq by 14-0 this AM. Allows iraqi oil to flow, accepts US and UK as "authority" in Iraq, encourages all countries to help with reconstruction and peacekeeping, establishes "central role" for UN, defers question of Iraqi debt.

    Thanks to all who made this possible.
    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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  • #2
    Now we must find some other excuse to hate them!
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #3
      Okay! I, for one, will now swear off the French bashing!

      Let's hope this trend of co-operation continues.
      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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      • #4
        I think the French realized that if they're ever gonna see one Euro of debt repaid to them, they'd better accept the status quo, i.e. the UK and US control Iraq. Besides, there was no way Iraq was going to be able to pay anything until the oil started flowing again. French delays only resulted in delaying the debt repayments.

        Now it is up to the US and UK to ensure that the France's trust is well placed.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sava
          Now we must find some other excuse to hate them!
          I would be glad to help.
          Statistical anomaly.
          The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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          • #6
            France attempted to make last minute oil deals w/ Saddam hoping that they could force the contracts on any new Iraqi government.

            *******s.
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            • #7
              Good Ol' lancer!

              Anyway: the Occupying powers have a ncie 12 motnhs before the UNSC gets to discussing Iraq again. Lets hope they are used wisely.
              If you don't like reality, change it! me
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              • #8
                Unfortunately, Lancer, your statements hove not been shown to be true. watching Fox has been detrimental to your intellectual health.

                EDIT: I changed the wording in fairness to Lancer... he isn't wrong per se... just not proven true.
                Last edited by Sava; May 22, 2003, 11:48.
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GePap
                  Good Ol' lancer!

                  Anyway: the Occupying powers have a ncie 12 motnhs before the UNSC gets to discussing Iraq again. Lets hope they are used wisely.
                  of course once they get to discussing iraq again, they have to PASS something, or this resolution remains in force. We now have precedent for western powers using vetoes against each other
                  "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sava
                    Now we must find some other excuse to hate them!
                    Actually, I suspect you are wrong. Now that Bush's and Cheney's boys are allowed to start feeding at the trough, there's no official reason left to hate the French. I'm guessing a period of silence where the words "France" and "French" are never mentioned followed by a gradual return the pre-war relationship. To save face, Chirac will also have to tone down the rhetoric.

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                    • #11
                      As Lancer proves; the anti-France rhetoric has made a lasting effect on the minds of the sheepish Americans. It won't go away. So I think somebody will have to come up with another reason to justify the hatred.
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • #12
                        It's good to see Chirac has finally given in and accepted reality. Still, he is the main person to blame for all of the discord.
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                        • #13
                          And America has what right to Iraq's oil again?...
                          "Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Clear Skies
                            And America has what right to Iraq's oil again?...
                            Let's see...The resolution clearly states that the revenue shall be used exclusively for the Iraqi people and Nation. That must mean that your post was:

                            STUPID
                            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                            • #15
                              "Let's see...The resolution clearly states that the revenue shall be used exclusively for the Iraqi people and Nation"

                              For rebuilding Iraq. As I have been saying, that money must come from the US pocket.

                              As for cooperation, it is more like a case of compliance with the US, for fear of economic consequences. Nonetheless, the US now has a free hand to see the glut of Saddams stockpiled oil sold, reducing global oil prices, so US companies can negotiate contracts at much lower prices to them.

                              This resolution does nothing to justify or legitimise the war, and as for the presence of foreigners of Iraqi soil, well, lets leave the Iraqis to legitimise that. Would appear that the opposite has been happening lately. I honestly think the Americans expected the Iraqis to welcome them, which did happen initially, but would seem that this is not the case now....

                              when will people learn?
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