Palestinian Weapons Ship Caught(yet again)

[Dinner]

Arafat lies again. Who would have ever guessed?

I'm more and more convinced that there can be no peace in the ME as long as Arafat lives.

[gsmoove23]

Originally posted by Ned
gsmoove, so Hizbollah is no problem?

Since these arms came from "Syria," I think they will have some explaining to do not only to Israel, but to the United States.

One Hizbullah guy is on board and suddenly Hizbollah is a Palestinian org? Give me a break. As an organization it concentrates on Israels northern border, in Lebanon, they do not do suicide attacks and mostly stick to mortars across the border. Might guys in Hizbullah have sympathies to the Pal cause sure, big surprise.

[Edan]

Originally posted by gsmoove23
One Hizbullah guy is on board and suddenly Hizbollah is a Palestinian org?

And the Count says:
Two! Two Hizbollah guys. Ah.. ah.. ah...

[Panag]

Originally posted by gsmoove23


One Hizbullah guy is on board and suddenly Hizbollah is a Palestinian org? Give me a break. As an organization it concentrates on Israels northern border, in Lebanon, they do not do suicide attacks and mostly stick to mortars across the border. Might guys in Hizbullah have sympathies to the Pal cause sure, big surprise.

the least you can do when you want to bash us is to learn the facts and who is who , ....

or are you going to tell us what happens right under our nooses , .....

and btw , hez****la is everywhere , .....

[Panag]

Israel arrests Hezbollah man aboard boat headed for Gaza

By Amos Harel and Arnon Regular, Haaretz Correspondents, and Agencies



Israel's navy seized a fishing boat Tuesday carrying a Hezbollah activist and weaponry and weapon-making equipment, believed to be heading for the Gaza Strip.

Naval commandos took control of the boat and its eight occupants in the Mediterranean Sea, as it was sailing from Lebanon to Egypt. It is thought that the Hezbollah militant was to have then infiltrated from Egypt into Gaza with the weaponry in order to offer assistance to Palestinian militants there.

The man was identified as Hamad Muslam Moussa Abu Amra, an expert in bomb-making who was trained by Hezbollah in Lebanon specifically to infiltrate into the Gaza Strip.

The IDF said Thursday that "suspicious objects" were found onboard, including "evidence of transfer of know-how and directives for carrying out terror attacks."

Security sources said the 17-meter-long fishing boat, which was captured near Haifa, about 35 km south of the border with Lebanon, had a weapons cache only a fraction of the size of the 50 tonnes seized on the Karine A freighter in the Red Sea in January 2002.

Hezbollah denied Thursday that any of its members were onboard the boat.

"We have no information about this story which the enemy is reporting and we confirm that no Hezbollah members have been arrested in the last few days," said a statement by the group.

Israeli officials said the boat carried 36 CD-ROM disks with instructions on how to assemble bomb belts for suicide bombers. Israel also discovered 25 detonators for rockets and a radio-activation system for remote-control bombs.

The military said that Israel was checking any connection between the detainee and PA officials. The defense establishment said that senior PA officials had been linked to previous attempts to smuggle weapons into the Palestinian territories by boat.

Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said Palestinians close to PA Chairman Yasser Arafat were involved in sending the ship, and that the incident was further proof that he was behind terror operations.

"There is no doubt that those involved in the affair are very close to Arafat," Shalom told Channel One television.

Palestinian sources said earlier that there were fears that Israel would try to blame the PA and Arafat for the incident.

The military also said that a deputy commander of the Palestinian police, Fathi Razam, is believed to be involved in the affair.

Over the past few years, Hezbollah has sent several activists to the territories in various ways, in attempt to assist terror activity there. Hezbollah has contacts with the Hamas and Islamic Jihad terror organizations, and Iran, its patron, has recently begun assisting Tanzim activists.

In the past, Iran, Hezbollah and Ahmed Jibril's Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, were involved in smuggling weapons to the territories. The navy intercepted two attempts in recent years when it caught the Santorini and Karine A ships.

The defense establishment is concerned with the Hezbollah attempt to send terrorists into the territories, especially people who are experts at preparing explosive devices, who are considered to be more sophisticated that the devices prepared locally

[Alvaro]

syrian take on events? my wild guess:

"all lies... bastard zionists... leave our golan heights... usa falling for sharon lies... bastard zionists [what was it that we were denying again? ahhh].. it's all lies!"

[Panag]

hi ,

glz also has a nice story

have a nice day

[Edan]

I could have sworn I heard that there were two people from hezbollah on board...

[Panag]

hi ,

who-ah , .....

have a nice day

[Edan]

OK, not going crazy... (well, ok, that's debatable. But this wasn't a symptom of crazyness. )

Among the eight people on board were two members of the Hezbollah terror group

link

[CyberGnu]

And this is what a real news agency has to say about it:

Israel Says It Captured Hezbollah Bomb Expert
By GREG MYRE


ERUSALEM, May 22 — Israeli naval commandos seized a small fishing boat off the country's northern coast and captured a suspected explosives expert from the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah who had bomb detonators and CD-ROM's on preparing weapons, Israeli officials said today.

Israel said the case suggested Palestinian militants were attempting to import such skills because many of their own bomb-makers had been arrested or killed by Israeli forces.

"Many of the Palestinian experts are not with us anymore," said Raanan Gissin, a spokesman for Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel. "We've taken them out one-by-one."

Israel's foreign minister, Silvan Shalom, contended that that Palestinian leaders including Yasir Arafat were involved, but he did not offer evidence.

"This is a new attempt to smuggle weapons and instructions for terror attacks, and there is no doubt Arafat was involved as he was in previous cases," Mr. Shalom told Israeli television.

Palestinian officials did not immediately comment, but they have denied that Mr. Arafat was linked to similar cases in the past.

According to Israeli security officials, the fishing boat left Egypt on May 16 and made its way to Beirut, Lebanon, three days later. It attracted the attention of the Israeli navy because it was not "behaving" like a fishing boat or traveling the route that would be expected, one security official said.

The boat, with a seven-man crew, picked up the Hezbollah explosives expert, Hamad Abu Amar, in Beirut and headed south, the Israelis said. The vessel was seized early Wednesday in waters off the northern Israeli port town of Haifa, Israeli security officials added.

Mr. Abu Amar had 36 CD-ROM's on how to prepare explosives, and he also had detonators and a radio activation system that could be used with rockets, suicide bombs and remote-controlled explosives, Israel said.

The Israelis said they were not sure where the boat was headed, but believed it was going back to Egypt. From there, Mr. Abu Amar could have tried to enter the Gaza Strip by land. The Palestinians use tunnels to smuggle weapons and other contraband from Egypt into southern Gaza.

In the last two years, the Israeli Navy has seized two boats laden with weapons that it said were destined for Palestinian militants.

One boat transporting 50 tons of weapons was commandeered in the Red Sea in January 2002, while on its way to Gaza, according to Israel, which accused Mr. Arafat of involvement in that operation.

In May 2001, Israel seized another boat, also with arms that officials said were headed for the Palestinians.

Israel did not specify which Palestinian group it thought was behind the smuggling operation, though it says Hezbollah is involved in continuing efforts to assist Palestinian militants.

In the past, Palestinian militants traveled to Lebanon to receive training from Hezbollah. This was the first time Israel captured a Hezbollah militant believed to be headed to the Palestinian areas, Mr. Gissin said. Hezbollah, a Shiite Muslim group backed by Iran and Syria, still exchanges fire periodically with Israel along the Lebanon-Israel border.

Hezbollah forces in southern Lebanon today opened fire with anti-aircraft guns at Israeli planes flying over the region. The Israeli planes fly outside the range of the Hezbollah guns, but the confrontations keep the border areas tense.

Israel and Hezbollah battled in south Lebanon for nearly two decades, where Israel maintained a self-declared security zone. Israel withdrew from Lebanon three years ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/22/international/middleeast/22CND-MIDE.html

As usual, lots of unsubstantiated accusations by the Israeli officials, accepted as gospel by their loyal subjects...

[Panag]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
And this is what a real news agency has to say about it:

Israel Says It Captured Hezbollah Bomb Expert
By GREG MYRE


ERUSALEM, May 22 — Israeli naval commandos seized a small fishing boat off the country's northern coast and captured a suspected explosives expert from the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah who had bomb detonators and CD-ROM's on preparing weapons, Israeli officials said today.

Israel said the case suggested Palestinian militants were attempting to import such skills because many of their own bomb-makers had been arrested or killed by Israeli forces.

"Many of the Palestinian experts are not with us anymore," said Raanan Gissin, a spokesman for Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel. "We've taken them out one-by-one."

Israel's foreign minister, Silvan Shalom, contended that that Palestinian leaders including Yasir Arafat were involved, but he did not offer evidence.

"This is a new attempt to smuggle weapons and instructions for terror attacks, and there is no doubt Arafat was involved as he was in previous cases," Mr. Shalom told Israeli television.

Palestinian officials did not immediately comment, but they have denied that Mr. Arafat was linked to similar cases in the past.

According to Israeli security officials, the fishing boat left Egypt on May 16 and made its way to Beirut, Lebanon, three days later. It attracted the attention of the Israeli navy because it was not "behaving" like a fishing boat or traveling the route that would be expected, one security official said.

The boat, with a seven-man crew, picked up the Hezbollah explosives expert, Hamad Abu Amar, in Beirut and headed south, the Israelis said. The vessel was seized early Wednesday in waters off the northern Israeli port town of Haifa, Israeli security officials added.

Mr. Abu Amar had 36 CD-ROM's on how to prepare explosives, and he also had detonators and a radio activation system that could be used with rockets, suicide bombs and remote-controlled explosives, Israel said.

The Israelis said they were not sure where the boat was headed, but believed it was going back to Egypt. From there, Mr. Abu Amar could have tried to enter the Gaza Strip by land. The Palestinians use tunnels to smuggle weapons and other contraband from Egypt into southern Gaza.

In the last two years, the Israeli Navy has seized two boats laden with weapons that it said were destined for Palestinian militants.

One boat transporting 50 tons of weapons was commandeered in the Red Sea in January 2002, while on its way to Gaza, according to Israel, which accused Mr. Arafat of involvement in that operation.

In May 2001, Israel seized another boat, also with arms that officials said were headed for the Palestinians.

Israel did not specify which Palestinian group it thought was behind the smuggling operation, though it says Hezbollah is involved in continuing efforts to assist Palestinian militants.

In the past, Palestinian militants traveled to Lebanon to receive training from Hezbollah. This was the first time Israel captured a Hezbollah militant believed to be headed to the Palestinian areas, Mr. Gissin said. Hezbollah, a Shiite Muslim group backed by Iran and Syria, still exchanges fire periodically with Israel along the Lebanon-Israel border.

Hezbollah forces in southern Lebanon today opened fire with anti-aircraft guns at Israeli planes flying over the region. The Israeli planes fly outside the range of the Hezbollah guns, but the confrontations keep the border areas tense.

Israel and Hezbollah battled in south Lebanon for nearly two decades, where Israel maintained a self-declared security zone. Israel withdrew from Lebanon three years ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/22/international/middleeast/22CND-MIDE.html

As usual, lots of unsubstantiated accusations by the Israeli officials, accepted as gospel by their loyal subjects...

hi ,

coming from a source that has trown out people cause they invent stories , ....

and how on earth can the nytimes know what goes on on the other side of the planet if they cant check what some of the people do who work on the next desk , ....

as usual unsubstancial bs from people who know zilch zip , nada nothing , ....

have a nice day

[Edan]

As usual, lots of unsubstantiated accusations by the Israeli officials, accepted as gospel by their loyal subjects...

I guess thing like bomb detonators, CD-Roms with instructions on carrying out bombings, and the earlier ship with 50 tons of weapons - that's all unsubstatiated accusation, right?

[CyberGnu]

Edan:
Israel's foreign minister, Silvan Shalom, contended that that Palestinian leaders including Yasir Arafat were involved, but he did not offer evidence.

[CyberGnu]

I'm pretty sure that the Israeli goverment would blame SARS on Arafat if they thought that just one moron in the appalachia's would believe it...