Who Shot Mohammed al-Dura? (long)

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Olaf Hårfagre
- Arbeit, Gaz, Arbeit, Gaz, Arbeit, Gaz, Arbeit, Gaz...

That's absolutely disgusting. I side with the Palestinians against Israel, but I would have been part of the crowd chasing your buddy.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Oerdin


First, of all they are the only real democracy in the middleeast unlike every single last one of the Arab states. Second, we feel the Israelis can be trusted to keep their word (again unlike just about everyone of the Arab states). Third, we feel the Israelis are far, far more likely to keep the rule of law over the world's holy sites compared to the alternative. Lastly, for various reasons (some religious some just ideological) most Americans think it is just that the Jews should have their country back and so we wish to help them keep their state.

Wow those reasons suck IMO.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Olaf Hårfagre
...
The UN grunts got some kind of revenge for the casualties later that year, They were on leave in Tel Aviv and passed a group of people standing in line outside a disco. A soldier from Norway walked straight towards the line, pointed at the the front guy and started to count:

- Arbeit, Gaz, Arbeit, Gaz, Arbeit, Gaz, Arbeit, Gaz...

Then they had to run for it. Fast. Somehow they managed to escape from the outraged crowd.

I admit it was tasteless of them to make holocost references as a joke, (IIRC, that could get you 5 years prison in Israel) but put into perspective I get the point. The Israelis killed their friends after all.

That's it.

As of now, you are the first, and only person on my ignore list.

[Az]

Wow, and I thought the Scandinavians were just pompous, self-righteous bastards. Now I know they're also a bunch of heartless morons.

I hope your friend ends up in a bodybag, real soon.

Just another fricking example why we shouldn't trust the UN.

[Ming]

Come on folks... CHILL...

[Sirotnikov]

Well what about the Liberty? I could see Israeli's lying. They are a besieged country and will do what they need to do...

I remember we talked about it before and you were shocked when I told you that as a very extreme scenario, it is concievable that Israel would have intentionally targetted the ship.

But I don't think that it is what happenned. And there's a whole debate we once had, and which still continues on the internet.

You should be so enraged though. Eventually when the wills of two brothers are at conflict, each acts according to his self interest.

I am for instance very angry at the US treatment of Israel during the first gulf war. I think it was very un-ally like and actually quite hostile. But I respect America's reasons and udnerstand that they did what they thought best.

The point is however, that no matter what happenned, the US state department decided that Israel is still America's strongest ally in the Middle East.

[Az]

The USA also wanted to invade Israel in 56', and let us hanging for weeks during 67', putting us in dire straits, constantly spied on us. Just as we spied on them, and interfered with their plans in north-eastern Africa.

Ming, sorry, I just wanted to be there.

[Panag]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Assuming the wounds were not all fully penetrating, recovery of the actual rounds that hit Mohammed would allow for verification of whether it's 7.62 x 39 NATO or 7.62 x 39 WP issue ammo. They're not the same, and not interchangeable.

hi ,

the PA did not allow for the body to get a proper medical by outsiders , .....

and there lays the proof , .....

aldo they counter addict ( the two doctors in the origianl hospital tape ) each other the bullets angle was way to high to have come from the IDF post , .....

btw , take a real good look at the video tapes from the news , ..... at one point its clear that the shots are fired from the side , .... no idf outpost there , ...

have a nice day

Olaf , we did not kill anyone on purpose , .....

letting mortar crews set up for several days next to your camp can result in return fire , ......

[Panag]

Originally posted by gsmoove23
Voting Likud is a hostile act.

hi ,

no its a democratical right , ......

have a nice day

[Sirotnikov]

Ming, while obviously Olaf didn't do anything wrong himself, in this thread or otherwise, the fact that he somehow morally justifies or supports his friends actions, is too much for me.

I chose not to state it then, but my view of his buddy and to a lesser extent, of the society he grew up in, is very similar to Azazels'.

I'm not condoning flaming. I just think any reasonable person can understand the reaction a normal person should have to what Olaf's friend did there. And since Olaf himself didn't have that reaction, and even morally equated it with supposed Israeli actions, it's way above my ability to handle such a position.

My only conclusion from this is, that nothing has changed in Europe.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Azazel
The USA also wanted to invade Israel in 56', and let us hanging for weeks during 67', putting us in dire straits, constantly spied on us. Just as we spied on them, and interfered with their plans in north-eastern Africa.

Ming, sorry, I just wanted to be there.

There are some of us still, Azazel, who get mad at America actions that treat Israel unfairly. But it is clear that at some point in time, perhaps after the Liberty incident, America has come to aid of Israel both diplomatically and militarily.

As to the Gulf War I, it was our thinking at the time that should Israel intervene it would blow of the Coalition. What would have happened, for example, if Saudi Arabia asked us to leave?

Assuming American concerns to be valid, and I think they were, how did it the United States treat Israel unfairly?

[Az]

"unfairly" it's a wrong word, Ned. Countries, and this includes the US, do things not because they're fair, or unfair, but because it suits their interests. "Fair" doesn't come into play.

[Ned]

Azazel, We asked Israel to be patient. Israel was patient; and that patience has now paid off. America owes Israel is thanks.

[Eli]

Thanks shmanks. Show us the money.

[Az]

Ned, much as Eli said, sadly, as much as we in Israel like you, and you like us, the governments don't care about this stuff.