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Still, I believe the only way this will descend into the use of force is if NK does not change course and the Chinese give us a green light. However, listening to commentators on TV, it appears that this could happen very soon, months, rather than years.
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I would find it highly unusual that China would give us a "green light". Historically, they have been pretty paranoid about armies approaching their boarders for any reason. I would think that they would be more likely to take care of the problem themselves."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003 -
Last I heard the Chinese said their relationship with the murderer Kim "was as close as lips and teeth".Last edited by Dinner; May 16, 2003, 16:32.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Unification by Force..Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!Comment
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No. Let them have their nukes - it might convince to disband/reintegrate some of their conventional forces. And they have stated, quite consistently, they will cease their nuclear programe if the US gives a written non-aggression treaty.
If they embrace the free trade approach and start selling nukes to the highest bidder - I think we have a problem. An embargo would be the first step of containment, but the current US administration would not stop there. I have the distinct feeling they would be on their own though.
Given Germany's constitution, they will probably regard it as no problem of theirs. They haven't even got a permanent UN Sec Council seat, so why get involved in "Freedom" operations?Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
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Yeah...just like they kept the 1994 agreements, right?Originally posted by Cruddy
No. Let them have their nukes - it might convince to disband/reintegrate some of their conventional forces. And they have stated, quite consistently, they will cease their nuclear programe if the US gives a written non-aggression treaty."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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Yes, they would never lie to us.Originally posted by Cruddy
No. Let them have their nukes - it might convince to disband/reintegrate some of their conventional forces. And they have stated, quite consistently, they will cease their nuclear programe if the US gives a written non-aggression treaty.
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I wouldn't know. I don't speak Korean. But your government's lack of commitment to peace would have any rival reaching for the plutonium producing reactors at full speed ahead.Originally posted by PLATO1003
Yeah...just like they kept the 1994 agreements, right?
The medias current demonization frenzy of N Korea does not speak well of the possibility of peace in the region.
It is very easy to destroy and make enemies. It is very dificult to create and make friends.
Just taking the easy path is not going to do anyone any good - and as stated, if you want any help with a war in Korea, you are unlikely to get it.
Even S Korea favours the peace and reconcilliation approach. Maybe it's because they've got a lot to lose? You've already set most Muslim nations against you (outside of Kuwait). You want the Chinese up in arms too?
The US should learn to quit while its ahead.Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
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If they give us thier nuclear stockpiles, any bombs they've made, submit to a rigorous inspection regime to prevent cheating again, and publically renounce such weapons then we can reasonablly decide to give them what they want.Originally posted by Cruddy
And they have stated, quite consistently, they will cease their nuclear programe if the US gives a written non-aggression treaty.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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I just cannot, for the life of me, think why N Korea owning nukes freaks the US out so much.Originally posted by DinoDoc
If they give us thier nuclear stockpiles, any bombs they've made, submit to a rigorous inspection regime to prevent cheating again, and publically renounce such weapons then we can reasonablly decide to give them what they want.
If they use them first, they are history within 30 minutes.
What is the problem? I can understand the US being unhappy about N Korea selling such weapons on. Hence my reference to containment in an earlier post.
But N Korea owning nukes stabilizes the Korean situation. First side to make a move gets atomized.
Could it be this irrational fear stems from the fact they're Commies? So were the Russians - and they never nuked you.Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
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N Korean regime must be destroyed, that's the bottom line. It's really shame that world community still tolerates something like that in 21st century.Comment
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On the Chinese, I think a deal can be struck if we provide some sort of guarantee that we totally get out of Korea after it is over. In other words, a united Korea becomes "neutral."http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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Chinese are afraid of US forces standing next to their border.
We could offer Chinese that we pull out or remain behind 38th parallel after the potential war, if they give us the green light.Comment
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Lord Merciless - that is the Al Qaeda view of the US. People fear what they do not understand and hate what they fear.
Ned - any non N Korean forces go over the 38th parrelel and China will rush 1000s of tanks and 100,000s of troops down the peninsular. They've been helping the N Koreans since before WW2 and they're not about to stab them in the back now.
Both of you - China will not tolerate any alteration of the status quo. You are playing with fire here for the sake of political correctness. The game is not worth the candle - CERTAINLY not to S Korea, which will be worst hit of your allies by any conflict.Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
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When will you people learn that the world doesn't want you spreading your worldwide militant capitalist revolution?"The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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No negotiations. No way, no how. They've lied so many times and we have no reason to believe they won't just lie again. You can only enter an agreement with a party you can be reasonably sure will keep up they're side of the deal.
The North Koreans have proven they will not do this.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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