I've been indicted on multiple charges!

[chequita guevara]

Bunnygrrl had a good message to keep her sister from having sex too early. She told her simply that young guys don't know what they're doing yet, so why bother, and men who are trying to date you can't be trusted. It worked.

I am not opposed to teens having sex. I just don't believe they should be having sex with adults. Teens should have sex with teens, adults should have sex with adults.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

I am not opposed to teens having sex. I just don't believe they should be having sex with adults. Teens should have sex with teens, adults should have sex with adults.

I agree (let's hope they wait until they are 16 or so though). I tend to support the 4 year rule for minors, as it allows them to date their peers (ie the people in their school) while it keeps most of the worst predators in legal jeopardy.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I can see from reading through this thread that I need to keep my shot gun loaded. My eldest daughter is turning 15

am not opposed to teens having sex. I just don't believe they should be having sex with adults. Teens should have sex with teens, adults should have sex with adults.

Don't let adults prey on teens' immaturity.

[Pekka]

I agree. Teens with teens

[korn469]

S. Kroeze

I guess the reason why I'm happy is things could have turned out worse. The only thing is that we misjudged her parents reaction if they ever woke up and found her missing. She's snuck out before she'd met me, and she said that her parents hadn't ever done anything but yell at her when she got home. Little did we know they were going to form a posse. As far as her parents being puritanical, that's not really the case at all. It's more like the go from one extreme (too much freedom) to the other (being far too over protective). I know I made some mistakes in all of this, but I don't think the police being involved have made this situation any better. Certainly the police never considered what her wishes were.

korn, well, if world gets blown up and you get to choose who comes with you from your gf's family, dad or mom, I think the choice is obvious. That'll teach her

Pekka

lol! that's hilarious

Olaf

i don't think her mom is going to change, but who knows

Perhaps not... but it can't be good for the 15 year old, at least psychologically

Imran's quote is one of the things I've had a large amount of time to ponder, and it is one of the biggest problems with the basis of the age of consent law

the way I see it sex carries three main negatives: pregnancy, STDs, and emotional trauma. However, none of these things are illegal in any other context. If two adults, or two minors, or even an adult and a minor in certain circumstances (cases where the age of consent has some elasticity and allows certain adults to have sex with certain minors) have sex and the female gets pregnant, while it might be problematic, it isn't illegal. Many people will point to the fact that a large number of teenage pregnancies are by men in their 20's, but to me this isn't a proper justification of the law. Older women can't sleep with teenage boys, nor can older homosexuals (of either sex) have sex. Also birth control when properly used seperates sex and pregnancy to a large degree, far more than what it was when many of these laws were originally enacted. The reason that many say pregnancy is bad is because the teenage mother and her children will become a burden on society, yet not all teenage mothers seek out support from the government, nor is it illegal for adult mothers to seek out support from society. Instead of being illegal, the government offers things such as WiC to help feed children of needy mothers. Even if some kind of minority report system existed that prevented all violations of age of consent, teenage boys would still exist and they could still impregnant girls under the age of consent. So trying to use the age of consent laws as some kind of teenage pregnancy prevention law is a rather bad policy; however, this is what the justification the Supreme Court used when it upheld age of consent laws.

Unknowingly passing an STDs isn't a crime afaik, and again, teenage are just as capable of passing STDs to other teenagers as what people over the age of consent are.

This brings us to the emotional trauma argument. It is perfectly legal for an adult man to lie, manipulate, and inflict as much emotional trauma on his partner (as long as they aren't married) as he wishes. It is also legal for a minor/person under the age of consent to do the same. Only when it is somebody over the age of the consent with somebody under it does this emotional trauma become illegal. However, unlike an assault or a murder charge, there doesn't have to be any harm to exist in the form of pregnancy, STD, or emotional trauma for a person to be guilty of statutory. All that matters is that one person is under an arbitraily selected age, and the other is over that age. As I mentioned before this allows in some circumstances certain adults to have sex with minors.

For example lets say the age of consent is 16. At 16 a person in their particular jurisdiction can legally consent, and according to the law as long as a person isn't more than three years older than them that is legal as well. You have two best friends, one is 15 and one is 15 1/2. They know two people of the opposite sex, who are 18 1/2. If the person who was 15 dated one of the 18 1/2 year olds for six months then they had sex with would be illegal. However, if the 15 1/2 year old met the other 18 1/2 year old and they had sex on the first night it would be legal.

I gotta run some errands but i'll continue this tommorrow...

[Imran Siddiqui]

The reason there are age of consent laws is because a teen at 16 is still legally under the control of her parents. Until she reaches the age of majority, her parents are her legal guardians. That is the main reason for the age of consent. Parents, who still have control of their kids, don't want you messing with them.

Maybe in other contexts what is trying to prevent is legal, but in this context it is illegal. It is an exception to the law.

[Alexander's Horse]

None of my business

[Giancarlo]

Older women can't sleep with teenage boys, nor can older homosexuals (of either sex) have sex.

Bingo and besides most gay teens probably want another gay teen their age.. Well that is who I have..

I can't speak for straight/gay girls or straight guys however.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The reason there are age of consent laws is because a teen at 16 is still legally under the control of her parents.

Age of consent in Australia is 16 for heterosexuals and 18 for homosexuals in most states. There is pressure to lower the homosexual age to 16 but this is being resisted.

I can see the advantages for parents of an 18 limit. But its not very realistic for the throbbing kiddies.

Romeo and Juliet were 14 or 15.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I can see the advantages for parents of an 18 limit. But its not very realistic for the throbbing kiddies.

It's not really a hard limit (no pun intended) in most states. Basically, in most states, you can have sex if your partner is within four years of age of you. 18 is when you can have sex with someone no matter what the age.

It is very, very rare that an age of consent rule of 18 is strictly enforced when the guy is 18 and the girl is 17. However, if the girl is 17 and the guy 25, then that's basically enforced all the time.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

It's not really a hard limit (no pun intended)

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse

Romeo and Juliet were 14 or 15.

And look what happened to them. I rest my case.

[Alexander's Horse]

I say let the teens fumble around with their own age.

The sad part is with all the porn around its hard to imagine kids being kids about these things any more

[S. Kroeze]

A question for all those puritanical hypocrites:

What would have happened when a boy, 16 years old, of his own free will would have had sex with a woman of 25 in a car at night, while the parents of the boy didn't know about it?

My guess is that most parents of this boy would be proud about it, especially when the woman was attractive!
No one would speculate about 'emotional trauma' of their son...

About Romeo and Juliet:
This love affair ended in tragedy not as a result of the age of the lovers, but because the families of the lovers didn't respect the individual feelings and decisions of their children; they treated them as pawns in their struggle for power. As a result the lovers were forced to marry in secret with disastrous consequences.
Obviously those parents did hardly love their own children.

The same applies for the parents of Korn's girlfriend.
Yes, I can understand they were upset when they discovered she had disappeared from the house. I also understand they do not like it when their daughter has sex with a man almost ten years older.

But, did their behaviour contribute in ANY way to the happiness of their daughter?
No, there can be no doubt that they only brought tremendous misery to their own daugther, to her lover and to themselves.
(When I was this girl and I truly loved Korn, I would hate my parents for the rest of my life; probably I would refuse to speak with them ever again!)

For the record: I have two younger sisters, so I am quite capable to imagine the situation.

And I have sufficient reason to believe that Korn is an intelligent, nice and sensitive human being.

[Imran Siddiqui]

My guess is that most parents of this boy would be proud about it, especially when the woman was attractive!
No one would speculate about 'emotional trauma' of their son...

Thanks for generalizing you sex-crazed hypocrite .

If I found out about that, I'd definetly attempt to put an end to it. There is no reason for a 16 year old boy to have sex with someone 9 years his elder! In this case, the woman is taking advantage.