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  • #91
    Originally posted by Spiffor

    Erm, I don't know for any other leftwinger out there, but when I'm reading my communist newpaper or some extreme-left news source, I am perfectly aware of the bias. I accept it wholeheartedly and shamelessly, that is
    Spiffor, shamelessly is probably not the right word. Let's see. The word "rapturously" come to mind.
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    • #92
      "In"? Didn't the article say "close to"?

      This is the Richard Perle brigade--the neocons.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Gatekeeper If I proceeded to stereotype *groups* or *professions* based on experiences I've had with *individuals,* I'd absolutely HATE:

        1. Veterans.
        I think it'd be fair to hate all veterans based on Boddingtons. Oh, you didn't mean Apolyton veterans... did you?

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Tassadar5000


          Oh come now.........Attempting to attack me on the basis of smilies will not help you save your position



          You do realize however that a conspiracy of this magintude would require co-operation with EVER person in Iraq and with ALL the news agencies in the ENTIRE world, dont you?



          However this is irrelevant to the subject at hand. You are simply trying to MAKE it the subject in order to divert attention from your obviously failing arguements



          Yes, go ahead and chew them a bit more, because it will simply prove I'm not the one chewing your arguements out.......You are I'm simply showing it off

          Now, I'll ask again: Do you believe in the conspiracy theory which is stated in the first post of this thread?

          YES
          NO

          Please tell us. No "I never said I did" or "I will not be disrespected so much that I am forced to answer some pitiful question from YOU!!". Because then we'll know what the answer is

          Also, you said that I had not responded to one of your questions and I asked you to clairfy that question......Obviously I'm still not getting it. Will you please clarify the question for me one more time?
          I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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          • #95
            Originally posted by LoneWolf


            Eventis is the only refuge of the spammer. Join us now.
            Long live teh paranoia smiley!

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Tassadar5000




              I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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              • #97
                Originally posted by DanS

                This is the Richard Perle brigade--the neocons.
                What makes you so sure it's Perle's clowns? And what are their views on Iran - maybe the Shah fans bribed him with a Souflet.
                “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                • #98
                  Hey, a Frog has a critical view of us. Stop the presses!
                  I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Ned
                    But the bias of the press, from Baghdad Bob to Al Jazeera to Fox News to CNN to the AP has become itself a story. Just a few minutes ago I saw a debate on Fox between a commentator that insisted that the story that the French Embassy in Syria was giving passports to Saddam's régime was well documented and another commentator who was equally adamant that this was just an unconfirmed report by one reporter. He relied on Donald Rumsfeld for his authority -- because Rumsfell was not ready to confirm the report.
                    How does your example show bias in the media? Just from reading what you related, I got the impression that there were two commentators — who are often *mistaken* as journalists, BTW, when they're really just highly-paid opinionated people — debating the merits of a story filed by some reporter. And who was relying on Rumsfeld? The reporter or one of the feuding commentators?

                    Generally, journalists do their darndest to get all the viewpoints necessary for a balanced story. If I read your example correctly, the reporter in question probably had sources alleging that the French Embassy in Syria was giving passports to Iraqi government officials. S/he sought to confirm this with Rumsfeld, who had nothing to say, but the story went forward anyway w/all this included because it sounded newsworthy. There should be follow-up stories to the first coming on down the pike to either firmly deny the allegations against the French Embassy, or to confirm them. More than likely, the former.

                    Gatekeeper
                    "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                    "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                    • #100
                      Originally posted by Gibsie
                      I think it'd be fair to hate all veterans based on Boddingtons. Oh, you didn't mean Apolyton veterans... did you?
                      No. Where does Boddingtons fit into what I said earlier?

                      Gatekeeper
                      "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                      "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                      • #101
                        "but the story went forward anyway w/all this included because it sounded newsworthy."

                        In other words, the most unfounded rumours, as planted by "sources alleging", get printed as long as they're "newsworthy"?

                        And then the follow up is in the small-print.
                        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                        • #102
                          Originally posted by HershOstropoler What makes you so sure it's Perle's clowns? And what are their views on Iran - maybe the Shah fans bribed him with a Souflet.
                          Actualy, Stropler is from Austria not France. How many Frenchmen do you know who'd use such a German sounding name?
                          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                          • #103
                            You know, if the media really was liberal, you'd think we'd have heard a few more stories about GWB's abandonment of his National Guard Post when he made his oh-so-dramatic-and-stirring speech on the aircraft carrier.
                            "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
                            "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                            • #104
                              Originally posted by Ned


                              Spiffor, shamelessly is probably not the right word. Let's see. The word "rapturously" come to mind.


                              I desagree; Spiffor can be shameless because it is not his fault : he was infected around 8 by a communist desease. He became member of the party at 12, then dedicated propagandist.

                              Nevertheless, this individual is not TOTALLY infected, as it was recently discovered his musical tastes include Wagner !
                              Statistical anomaly.
                              The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                              • #105
                                Originally posted by Guynemer
                                You know, if the media really was liberal, you'd think we'd have heard a few more stories about GWB's abandonment of his National Guard Post when he made his oh-so-dramatic-and-stirring speech on the aircraft carrier.
                                YES... SOMEBODY WHO FINALLY GETS IT!
                                To us, it is the BEAST.

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