Press has been lying about Iraq

[Nubclear]

Boy, you sure do like similes, don't you.

Oh come now.........Attempting to attack me on the basis of smilies will not help you save your position

-Yes, I think the idea of an "informal" conspiracy of the press is quite posible.

You do realize however that a conspiracy of this magintude would require co-operation with EVER person in Iraq and with ALL the news agencies in the ENTIRE world, dont you?

-Yes, I think that you and your ilk are much more likely to believe in such a conspiracy of the right rahter than the left, even though the left is demonstrably more dominant in the media, even the American media.

However this is irrelevant to the subject at hand. You are simply trying to MAKE it the subject in order to divert attention from your obviously failing arguements

chew them even more?

Yes, go ahead and chew them a bit more, because it will simply prove I'm not the one chewing your arguements out.......You are I'm simply showing it off

Now, I'll ask again: Do you believe in the conspiracy theory which is stated in the first post of this thread?

YES
NO

Please tell us. No "I never said I did" or "I will not be disrespected so much that I am forced to answer some pitiful question from YOU!!". Because then we'll know what the answer is

Also, you said that I had not responded to one of your questions and I asked you to clairfy that question......Obviously I'm still not getting it. Will you please clarify the question for me one more time?

[Edan]

Originally posted by LoneWolf

Oddly, people like Gepap are quite ready to believe in "right-wing, pro -American" conspiracies. Hmm...

Or tass.

There's a "tass" conspiracy? Tass, what are you up to?

For reporters to exagerate the amount of looting doesn't have to be a conspiracy. If it's happening, it could merely be reporters trying to focus on the story that's more likely thing to sell newspapers (or get higher ratings) and thereby blowing it out of proportion.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Edan


There's a "tass" conspiracy? Tass, what are you up to?

[MRT144]

Edans hit it. Televisual Media detonates nuclear devices when it comes to blowing things out of proportion when reporting.

[Dis]

I really do not believe this for obvious reasons. But I do feel like there could be bias.

Obviously a conspiracy is impossible for obvious reasons.

But you cannot ignore the fact that most journalists are liberal. And they may unintentionally distort the facts to make things look worse than they really are. They may just do this for sensationalism. Because a boring happy Iraq just wouldn't "make" good news and would lead to lower ratings. So they have to spice things up.

[Nubclear]

I have to go, so hopefully tomorrow when I come back.......

Someone will have continued what I have started

[Cruddy]

If you expect the "truth" from the media, you are bound to be dissappointed.

The "truth" depends on your own personal perspective.

So getting "lies" from the papers/TV etc on any subject is the norm, not the exception.

The only point to this debate is that some believe it to be a conspiracy, others do not. Neither side can prove their case.

Next!

[Sava]

oh god ned, you've finally gone off the deep end

Scarborough is a flesh-faced blowhole of monumentous proportions. I can't believe you watch (well maybe I can) let alone believe anything this jackass says.

I hope your foil hat fits, Ned...

[Darius871]

Just adding another

[Kropotkin]

In other news, the holoucast never happened. This claimed by old SS-officer on his death bed, everyone else has been lying.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ned
Of course, GePap and MtG, you have complete faith in liberal, anti-Bush media to give you the facts and nothing but the facts, with no spin.

I have complete faith in nothing, but one individual's op-ed piece that "everyone is lying and I'm telling the truth" doesn't mean a hell of a lot to me, either.

The Pentagon and CentCom's own admissions as to occasional casualties from ambushes and security issues in various parts of the country make it obvious that it's not all lovey-dovey on the ground. Not to mention international organizations like the WHO citing reasons such as lack of security hampering medical personnel and restoration of water supplies as reasons contributing to the outbreak (predictable and avoidable) of cholera in Basra.

"liberal, anti-Bush media" has been the tagline to scare gutless corporate media into line since the beginning of Bush II. It used to be just liberal media, but anything that works to keep the boys in line. Funny how little hard investigative reporting gets done any more, isn't it? Not like the Watergate days at all - now the press is shackled back to taking fluff handouts from the government, and an occasional little tiff over wording.

Journalists may be liberal, but their managers and editors are ratings-fed corporate whores who'd die rather than really offend anyone.

[monkspider]

Ned can't be serious about this.

[Sava]

MtG...

[Ned]

Originally posted by notyoueither
It is kind of hard to believe that every reporter, and every news organization has been in on the conspiracy until this brave soul came along.

What he said is that this was not uniform, that he AP had some very fine reporters that told the truth. But some of them, he said, truly had it in for Bush and were spinning the stories. He also said that there was a "herd" mentality in the press where everyone reported the same stories in essentially the same way.

The museum was one of his examples. Not one single reporter bothered to check out the facts, but simply repeated the line from the AP that the artifacts in the museum had been looted by a "frenzied" mob. Foreman said he was there has did not see a frenzied mob. He say people, indeed, families, walking out of the museum with chairs, fans and the like.

The looting, he said, was targeted against the government and the Ba'ath party members. Some of the reporting did make this distinction in the beginning. However, most of it later made no distinctions whatsoever in an effort to protray Baghdad in a state of utter lawlessness. He said that nothing could be further from the truth.

It would be useful if someone could find a link to the original Post article. However, here is a link to Scarborough's transcripts. They end on May 8th. So, you will have to wait until Monday, I believe, to get a transcipt of his show.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/MSNBCTRANSCRIPTSMAIN_Front.asp

[Sava]

That's right... nobody looted innocent sites.