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  • #61
    All this goes to show is that we tend to believe people who report the news that is consistent with our own belief system.

    Which is why the Arab street truly believed the story that 4,000 Jews stayed home the morning the WTC was attacked.
    What accounts for the fact that most Americans now believe that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11?

    Oh wait, you just told me...
    Last edited by uh Clem; May 10, 2003, 13:34.
    "When all else fails, a pigheaded refusal to look facts in the face will see us through." -- General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett

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    • #62
      Fox is America's Al-Jazeera... the second people realize this, the second we can have intelligent debates.
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #63
        What he said is that this was not uniform, that he AP had some very fine reporters that told the truth. But some of them, he said, truly had it in for Bush and were spinning the stories. He also said that there was a "herd" mentality in the press where everyone reported the same stories in essentially the same way.
        All of these things are part of what a discerning reader would consider possibilites when reading every story:

        1) A reporter or group of reporters with an agenda;
        2) A reporter who has been bought and inserts stories at the behest of others;
        3) A reporter who makes up stories because good reporting is a tougher job;
        4) A reporter who only goes with the herd in either subject or content;
        5) A reporter who out-and-out plagiarizes; and
        6) A reporter or news organization spins stories to continue access.

        All of these things have happened in Gulf War II. #2 seems to happen a lot more than people realize, but spotting it is difficult. A NY Times reporter got caught with #3 and #5. Baghdad Bob got caught with #1 and #6. CNN got caught with #6. #4 happens all the time--why do we all of the sudden hear so many "chaos" and "lawlessness" stories on Thursday this week?
        Last edited by DanS; May 10, 2003, 13:48.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #64
          Thanks for the summary Dan. All this goes to show is that one really needs multiple sources with different political agenda's to really get a balanced view of events that have tremendous political impact.

          The bottom line, you lefties and Sava whatever you call yourself, watch FOX. You may learn something.

          I continue to watch CNN and read the AP stories. But it is nice to know that all is not as bleak in Iraq as they tend to report it.
          http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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          • #65
            Actually, I'm not much of a triangulator. IOW, if you read 5 stories that are full of lies, you probably will not be able to infer the truth from them by looking at the whole.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #66
              Ok, so now that there is not only CNN, pussyfooting and arselicking the Bushies, but also Fox that has gone to enthusiastic arsecrawling, the extreme right takes this as proof that CNN is another part of the vast leftwing conspiracy. Quite funny, just that I'd love to see a news network that really mirrors Fox's blatant bias on the other side.
              “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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              • #67
                so now that there is not only CNN, pussyfooting and arselicking the Bushies

                Rather, that was CNN pussyfooting and arselicking Saddam Hussein.

                Quite funny, just that I'd love to see a news network that really mirrors Fox's blatant bias on the other side.

                In this case, it was al Jazeera.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #68
                  watch FOX. You may learn something
                  I agree... I'll hear what Rupert Murdoch wants me to know.
                  FOX = Al Jazeera
                  To us, it is the BEAST.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by DanS
                    Rather, that was CNN pussyfooting and arselicking Saddam Hussein.
                    Yeah, especially Walter Rogers.

                    "In this case, it was al Jazeera."

                    Did it cover the war under "Imperialist war of aggression against the people of Iraq" and start reports with pictures of mutilated Iraqi children? If so, it would come close, yes.
                    “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                    • #70
                      Did it cover the war under "Imperialist war of aggression against the people of Iraq" and start reports with pictures of mutilated Iraqi children?

                      Yep. That's the one.

                      Fox News and al Jazeera shared feeds with one another. Al Jazeera ended up with egg on its face when they cut to Fox News' image of the square in Baghdad when the Saddam statue came down. The whole Arab world watched that one in prime time.

                      Life is full of ironies.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #71
                        Good. Now we'd need a US network doing that.

                        "The whole Arab world watched that one in prime time."

                        With or without US flag?
                        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                        • #72
                          With both the US flag and the pre-91 Iraqi flag.

                          Good. Now we'd need a US network doing that.

                          "Al jazeera" was the most popular Google search term there for a while. Even outdid "sex".
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
                            Journalists may be liberal, but their managers and editors are ratings-fed corporate whores who'd die rather than really offend anyone.
                            Now I am serious: Your paintbrush has broad strokes, MtG. Too broad, and too g*d*mn stereotypical. I'll leave it at that, because what I'm thinking right now has no place in polite company.

                            Gatekeeper
                            "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                            "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Ned
                              ... All this goes to show is that one really needs multiple sources with different political agenda's to really get a balanced view of events that have tremendous political impact.
                              No, what you need are *apolitical* sources. As you stated further down in your post (but I clipped for space), the Associated Press is a fine resource for stories like this, along with most of the other wires services and/or in-house news providers (Reuters, KRT, Gannett, et al.).

                              Gatekeeper
                              "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                              "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by DanS
                                All of these things are part of what a discerning reader would consider possibilites when reading every story:

                                1) A reporter or group of reporters with an agenda;
                                2) A reporter who has been bought and inserts stories at the behest of others;
                                3) A reporter who makes up stories because good reporting is a tougher job;
                                4) A reporter who only goes with the herd in either subject or content;
                                5) A reporter who out-and-out plagiarizes; and
                                6) A reporter or news organization spins stories to continue access.

                                All of these things have happened in Gulf War II. #2 seems to happen a lot more than people realize, but spotting it is difficult. A NY Times reporter got caught with #3 and #5. Baghdad Bob got caught with #1 and #6. CNN got caught with #6. #4 happens all the time--why do we all of the sudden hear so many "chaos" and "lawlessness" stories on Thursday this week?
                                Do you have a link for the NY Times reporter? That one I haven't heard about as of yet.

                                Also, there was a Los Angeles Times photographer who was fired from his job for altering a photograph he took while in Iraq.

                                Gatekeeper
                                "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                                "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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