That evil, evil man!

[Traianvs]

Let's just say he thinks your an ass preferring to live under Franco

[chequita guevara]

Fezzie, as to your sig, I'd like to point out that we very much do use inventions by capitalism. Lenin himself once said, "The capitalist will sell us the rope to hang him with."

Frankly, Bush will make more communists than I ever could. I have to give him credit. He's built the left in a way we never could. He's the Manchurian candidate!

[Pekka]

Source would be nice.. sounds kind of..

[Pekka]

Oh yeah there were more pages in this thread than 1.. That'll teach me.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Second, having worked for the Federal government, I can attest that overtime rules aren't so cushy. By working overtime, I got comp hours, not pay. Only by working on extremely long projects (being there over 12 hours) could I get pay, and it was very rare that I was able to do that, and managers were extremely stingy about allowing it, even for projects that were in urgent need of it.

Boris, you are making my point for me. Managers are extremely stringent in having EVEN when there is urgent need for it and the people WANT to work over 40 hours a week. Especially in federal jobs where it would make sense (like Defense or State during crises). The system is broken.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Boris, you are making my point for me. Managers are extremely stringent in having EVEN when there is urgent need for it and the people WANT to work over 40 hours a week. Especially in federal jobs where it would make sense (like Defense or State during crises). The system is broken.

Considering how many workers would actually want to put in such overtime without getting paid for it, I don't think this "solution" would make much sense, now would it?

And there's no problem with working over 40 hours a week, usually--but it's paid for with additional leave hours rather than overtime pay (up to a certain point).

[Imran Siddiqui]

And there's no problem with working over 40 hours a week, usually--but it's paid for with additional leave hours rather than overtime pay

So why the opposition to removing OT pay? They'll just give you additional leave hours.

[Kidlicious]

The way I see it, the only people that would WANT to work more than 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, are the people who have to work more than that. I'm not going for this workers WANT to work more than 40 hours. All that tells me is that workers don't get paid enough. Having said that, workers should get paid more for overtime.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

And there's no problem with working over 40 hours a week, usually--but it's paid for with additional leave hours rather than overtime pay

So why the opposition to removing OT pay? They'll just give you additional leave hours.

Because additional leave hours hardly compares to the additional income overtime pay gets (which many people absolutely need to do things like, oh, send their kids to school), and there's only so much leave you can take and still do your job effectively.

[Imran Siddiqui]

So what, you are telling me that some people need more money and thus will work over the 40 hour mark to get the time and a half. But, because, of the rules, requiring time and half after 40 hrs, managers aren't scheduling those hours. So therefore, those people who need the money would probably earn more if there was NO overtime.

Hmmm

[Boris Godunov]

Nope, because manager will schedule overtime hours when they are needed to complete projects, but they do tend to err on the side of caution when allowing them. Plenty of government workers do work overtime. That's why I disagree with punishing those workers who put in long hours and earn their overtime pay based on a stereotype that government workers are lazy and abusing the system, garnering unwarranted overtime pay.

[Al B. Sure!]

maybe i'm dumb (public school education remember) but I dont understand this issue at all...

exactly what is happening to overtime pay?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Because so many people have perpetuated a stereotype on this thread that government workers are lazy and abusing the system .

Managers will err on the side of caution, meaning that over 40 hours isn't scheduled too often. I know of people sent home half a day earlier, because they were almost reaching that 40 hours, when they WILLINGLY worked late one day to help some guy get his COBRA notice (or whathaveyou). It seems totally silly, especially when the person wants to work the extra hours so they get more money.

Of course, they can't because they aren't allowed to work more than 40. Just get rid of it, let government employees work how much they wish.

[Al B. Sure!]

alright...

so apparently overtime (as in time and a half) for gov't workers has been eradicated due to inefficiency? instead, managers decide if someone should work more than 40 hours or not?

[chequita guevara]

If time and a half is gotten rid of, so is the 8-hour day. It's the only thing holding manditory OT in check.