Where do you stand politically?

[Spiffor]

2 or 3 (voted 2).
I am extremely liberal when it comes to social values, but I am opposed to capitalism and wish for its replacement by a socialistic / guild-socialistic economy. But I want to do it reasonably, without the whining, extremism, and mistakes of too many leftists IMHO.

Oh, and Boshko, thanks for teaching me the word "guild-socialism"

[Odin]

My IDEAL economic system is that workers share the stock in the corporations evenly, the best mix of socialism and capitalism. Basically all the industries would be Co-ops, like my local gas station and truck stop (Cenex Co-op.).

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Fez
http://www.politicalcompass.org

Economic: +7.00
Authoritarian: +3.46

Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.03

[Bosh]

Oh, and Boshko, thanks for teaching me the word "guild-socialism"

Its a pretty interesting synthetis. Look up some of the books GDH Cole wrote in the 1920s if you're interested they're not hard or long.

My IDEAL economic system is that workers share the stock in the corporations evenly, the best mix of socialism and capitalism.

No mix there, that's pure socialism (although having a few other co-op institutions such as banks, wholesale etc. wouldn't hurt).

[Q Classic]

moderate in economics, according to the political compass test.

moderate libertarian, politically.

[orange]

Ramo - why don't you just refer to yourself as a libertarian socialist? That, to me, is different than supporting 'anarchy'

[LTEC!]

How about
-As far away as possible.

[Berzerker]

No self-respecting anarchist would say that he's a rightist.

Libertarians are always getting labeled anarchists by people who want more government control over our lives than allowed by libertarianism, but if anarchists aren't at the right end of the poltical spectrum, where are the communists and fascists that built up enormous states to control people's lives?

IMO, the various ideologies ~match the 1-10 rankings like this:

1) Totalitarianism - Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Mao
2) Socialism
3) Social democrats
4) Liberalism
5) Conservatism
6) Hamiltonian centrists
7) Anarchism as described by Ramo
8) Madisonian republicans
9) Libertarianism/Jeffersonian democrats
10) Libertarian anarchism/anarcho-capitalists

[Imran Siddiqui]

Conservatism is in the middle?

Wow, that's almost as hilarious as Hitler being on the far, far left!!

[Kramerman]

I voted 5, but relative to this forum i may be a 6 or even a 7

[Berzerker]

Imran -

Conservatism is in the middle?

Wow, that's almost as hilarious as Hitler being on the far, far left!!

First, Hitler was a totalitarian. Would you put him in the center or on the right where you seem to think you belong?
Second, judging by conservatives (like you ), yes, they are in the middle. Look at the conservatives in Congress. They've adopted so many left wing policies originating with liberals that the Founders look like right wing extremists, it just takes them 2 to 4 decades longer. Since you apparently don't see the criteria I used for a left-right spectrum even after I provided examples, the left end of the spectrum is totalitarianism and the right end is government limited exclusively to preserving freedom and property rights. All the levels in between are mere gradients of increasing or decreasing control via government leading to either end. Hamilton makes today's conservatives look like social democrats, and in his day, Jefferson and Madison were to his right. The fact you've endorsed FDR's New Deal when so many liberals cite him as one of their own ought to tell you how close conservatives are to liberals. That's why liberals and conservatives increasingly fight over social issues while fiscal matters are relegated to whether or not a %1 or
%3 tax cut or increase is too extreme.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Would you put him in the center or on the right where you seem to think you belong?

The right.

The right/left axis is totally different than the totalitarian/libertarian axis. Right/left deals with economics and morality. The other axis deals with civil liberties and government control.

The left/right split doesn't give a damn about totalitarianism except if it has effects on the economy or morality.

The fact you've endorsed FDR's New Deal when so many liberals cite him as one of their own ought to tell you how close conservatives are to liberals.

But there is absolutely NO WAY conservatives are centrists. That's utterly foolish and ridiculous. William Bennett, who you refered to in the other thread is an example of someone on the far-right.

The left/right, goes:

10 - 'True' Communists / Command Communists
9 - Anarchists
8 - Socialists
7 - Social Democrats
6 - Moderate-left
5 - Centrist
4 - Moderate-right
3 - Libertarian (far right economically, left morally)
2 - Conservative
1 - Fascist (super far right morally)

[Dis]

politics? I don't follow politics

[Berzerker]

Imran -

The right.

The right/left axis is totally different than the totalitarian/libertarian axis.

I'm using the latter, your "economics and morality" is either redundant (economics) or illogical (morality).

Right/left deals with economics and morality. The other axis deals with civil liberties and government control.

So explain why Hitler was on the right with you.

The left/right split doesn't give a damn about totalitarianism except if it has effects on the economy or morality.

Doesn't totalitarianism inherently involve (im)morality and economics?

But there is absolutely NO WAY conservatives are centrists. That's utterly foolish and ridiculous. William Bennett, who you refered to in the other thread is an example of someone on the far-right.

And yet he endorses Social(ist) Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and a host of fiscally left wing ideas. What exclusively right wing ideas does he endorse? Mainly "social" issues? Yup, when money is involved tangentially at most, he's a right winger and becomes left wing or centrist once money is being handed out. Btw, don't conservatives relish how they are mainstream America and those loony liberals are out of touch with the American people? Wouldn't that make conservatives "centrists" by definition.

The left/right, goes:

10 - 'True' Communists / Command Communists

Isn't that totalitarianism?

9 - Anarchists

So we've gone from advocates of total economic control to little or no economic control.

8 - Socialists

And back in the other direction. I had a problem placing (Ramos' brand) anarchism on the list too. But at least I got them and the communists on different sides of the spectrum.

7 - Social Democrats

Sounds about right.

6 - Moderate-left

A person who likes some socialism?

5 - Centrist

I'll join you out on that limb.

3 - Libertarian (far right economically, left morally)

Libertarians believe it's moral to confiscate 50-70% of your labor? Furthermore, why do you consider "morality" more right wing than economics? The libertarian desire to limit government to protecting freedom and property is not an endorsement of all personal behavior, just a limit on government. I know libertarians who believe drug use and prostitution to be immoral.

2 - Conservative
1 - Fascist (super far right morally)

You have autocrats at both ends of the spectrum. What does it mean to be right or left morally?

[Ned]

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