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  • #61
    Originally posted by Caligastia
    Socialism can only work in a society in which everyone is honest, hardworking and sincere. Basically, until people learn to treat others as their brothers and sisters, socialism will always spawn massive corruption and authoritarian government.

    A socialist system is too advanced for us. Until we learn that cooperation is better than competition, we must rely on selfishness to keep otherwise slothful people hard at work.
    You have confused Socialism with Communism. Communism is a state where there is a classles society and the government has withered away, Marx's utopia. Socialism is the form of government in that the average person's greed is contained until we have advanced enough socially to reach a state of Communism, hence progressive taxes and govermnet owned industries. I'm not a beleiver in total nationalization of industries, only the very large ones, in my type of socialism there can still be small, privately owned "Mom 'n' Pop" stores and cottage industies; just not private "Supercorporations" since the stocks of corporations will be divided equally to that corporation's workers.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Agathon


      I take it you mean Muldoon. Hardly Kim Il Sung though, was he?
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      • #63
        Originally posted by statusperfect


        You call the crisis 1991-1994 a success? We had a 500% interest on bank loans to cool down the inflating economy.
        I meant a success for the conservative/liberal coalition in the elections. The economy started to turn bad before the election, and the voters wanted a change. Then the socialist could blame the conservatives for the bad economy. How convenient...

        And the 500% interest was not on bank loans, it was on a very special kind of loan between financial institutions. The interest on bank loans was never above 15% IIRC.
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        • #64
          Becoming a socialist is easy. Take a large hammer and hit yourself in the head. If you are still able to form rational thoughts and think criticially then return step one.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Oerdin
            Becoming a socialist is easy. Take a large hammer and hit yourself in the head. If you are still able to form rational thoughts and think criticially then return step one.

            Did I insult your mother in a past life or something?
            "Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman

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            • #66
              A socialist is someone who has read Marx. A capitalist is someone who understood Marx.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by Clear Skies
                Did I insult your mother in a past life or something?
                Please notice the smilie.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Olaf HÃ¥rfagre


                  I meant a success for the conservative/liberal coalition in the elections. The economy started to turn bad before the election, and the voters wanted a change. Then the socialist could blame the conservatives for the bad economy. How convenient...

                  And the 500% interest was not on bank loans, it was on a very special kind of loan between financial institutions. The interest on bank loans was never above 15% IIRC.
                  1-0 to Olaf. Forgive my ignorance.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Oerdin
                    Becoming a socialist is easy. Take a large hammer and hit yourself in the head. If you are still able to form rational thoughts and think criticially then return step one.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Oerdin


                      Please notice the smilie.
                      Oops. I forgot mine
                      "Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman

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                      • #71
                        I've seen people say the same thing about conservatives, but, this thread is about socialists so they got to be the butt of the joke.
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                        • #72
                          And hey, since all socialists get fat off the welfare state, it's one hell of a big butt!
                          "Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman

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                          • #73
                            Socialism can only work in a society in which everyone is honest, hardworking and sincere. Basically, until people learn to treat others as their brothers and sisters, socialism will always spawn massive corruption and authoritarian government.

                            A socialist system is too advanced for us. Until we learn that cooperation is better than competition, we must rely on selfishness to keep otherwise slothful people hard at work.
                            These days, socialist is one of the worst labels to get attached to. No, not because of stigmas or anything, though I'd imagine there's some of that, too, but becaue everyone and their brother has a different definition of socialism. When some say socialism, they think of Scandinavia, others think of Soviet Union, and some even claim the current US system is socialistic. Parties from Marxist parties in African states to wishy-washy European third-wayite social democrat parties can call themselves and be called socialists.
                            So, what are we talking about when we're talking about socialism, here?

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                            • #74
                              Conclusion: This thread is dead. Time to let it dissapear into darkness.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Clear Skies
                                And hey, since all socialists get fat off the welfare state, it's one hell of a big butt!
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