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  • #76
    Originally posted by Agathon


    Alright, I confess - I hate the taskbar and the start menu.
    The taskbar in Windows is much more configurable than the one for Mac. I forget what they call it now. By creating shorcuts in folders, I've been able to get every single program on my system on it, so I can launch anything with a single click. With Mac there was only so much room, and it was impossible to organize in a meanigful way. Granted I haven't worked with OS X, so maybe they've made some improvements in that area.

    I'll admit though that the Start menu sucks, but I never have to use it anyway so it doesn't matter to me.
    Last edited by Willem; May 4, 2003, 15:51.

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    • #77
      The Windows XP Start Panel is way better than the Start Menu IMO.

      But I, too, rarely used it. 99% of the programs I used are so easily launched from the taskbar.
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      • #78
        With Mac there was only so much room, and it was impossible to organize in a meanigful way. Granted I haven't worked with OS X, so maybe they've made some improvements in that area.


        They have. The Dock allows you to do all the things you just mentioned, plus it looks cooler than the Windows taskbar.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
          They have. The Dock allows you to do all the things you just mentioned, plus it looks cooler than the Windows taskbar.
          I'm quite fond of my Windows taskbar:
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Asher
            QuickTime is absolute crap, any Windows user who had to download it will tell you that.
            I agree with you there. It was innovative at one time but has lost ground big time. I don't even think I have it installed on my system anymore, there's simply been no use for it lately. The .mov format for video is almost obsolete IMO.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Drake Tungsten


              Macs don't have extensions anymore. OS X got rid of them.
              Good thing. Like I said, I haven't had an opportunity to use OS X yet, I don't know anyone who has it.

              PS However, I've had a talk with one of my old instructors from school who seems to think that XP is much more stable than OS X. His program, multimedia production, uses Macs almost exlusively but he uses Windows XP at home and prefers it.

              The bottom line for me is that there is much more software/hardware support for Windows than the Mac. I started my computing days with Commodore machines, and never again will I take the chance that my system will become obsolete, or that the company that manufactures it will go belly up. There's no chance of that with a Windows based machine.
              Last edited by Willem; May 4, 2003, 16:13.

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              • #82
                I see you have modded your theme Asher. I could but I've only gone so far as to create nicer icons.

                My screen looks like this. All the apps I use frequently are available in the dock and can be controlled via the dock. The others are also accessible thru the dock via a pop up menu.

                All my frequent folders are also in the dock. I rarely have to search through the drive looking for stuff. Anything can go in the dock - like the ftp directory.

                Odd things like ichat, display resolution and ethernet connection are in the top right hand corner. This is the extent of the "system tray".
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                • #83
                  Agathon, what did you do to the .tiff file that Grab gives you to make it displayable here on Poly? I'm guessing you did something in Graphic Converter since you have that open, but I've never been able to figure out the trick.
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                  • #84
                    I hate macs. Unstable, badly designed, need a ****ing degree to do simple power-user tasks (installing a font, for instance, takes like half an hour of faffing about cross-copying files between folders), bad networking influence, uneconomical, resource-hogging, ugly, one-button mice, overheat really easily, intrusive, feature-bloated (talking error messages? ffs.), expensive, software-deficient, and totally, totally naff. I don't think I've ever seen a set of computers so constantly problematic as the iMacs my student newspaper uses.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Sava
                      Mac's aren't quite up to par with PC's. Despite Windows sucking, the overall disadvantages don't come close to outweighing the advantages. As for Mac's being better for Imaging, Media editing, etc; well that simply is false. I go to a school that has both Mac and PC computers for use in those areas and the PC's are far more powerful and user friendly. The biggest beef I have with the Mac's is the single button mouse. It makes it more difficult to use such programs. Instead of being able to right click and do things, I have to memorize confusing keystrokes. User friendly indeed. OS is better than XP. Unfortunately, you can't get OS/X on a PC.

                      hi ,

                      then why is it that we can run more calculations a sec then a pc , .....

                      no to mention the fact apple came out with the first 17 inch powerbook , ....

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
                        I hate macs. Unstable, badly designed, need a ****ing degree to do simple power-user tasks (installing a font, for instance, takes like half an hour of faffing about cross-copying files between folders), bad networking influence, uneconomical, resource-hogging, ugly, one-button mice, overheat really easily, intrusive, feature-bloated (talking error messages? ffs.), expensive, software-deficient, and totally, totally naff. I don't think I've ever seen a set of computers so constantly problematic as the iMacs my student newspaper uses.

                        hi ,

                        ever worked on one in the last years , .......

                        have a nice day
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                          Agathon, what did you do to the .tiff file that Grab gives you to make it displayable here on Poly? I'm guessing you did something in Graphic Converter since you have that open, but I've never been able to figure out the trick.
                          Just save as JPG in Graphic Converter. There is a freeware haxie called Tinkertool that allows you to specify the format of grabbed pictures.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
                            I hate macs.
                            OK - I'm convinced.

                            Unstable
                            I've had one kernel panic in 3 years. Massive instability there.

                            badly designed
                            Laughable from someone with a beige box on his desk.

                            need a ****ing degree to do simple power-user tasks (installing a font, for instance, takes like half an hour of faffing about cross-copying files between folders)


                            Installing a font requires you to drop it in one of the "fonts" folders (either your personal one or the system font folder). You then have to restart apps to use the new font. Installing a new keyboard file is even less difficult.

                            bad networking influence
                            I networked a mac the other week in about 10 seconds. No problems at all.

                            uneconomical
                            The TOC of macs is very competitive. They tend in my experience to last a lot longer than PCs.

                            ugly, one-button mice
                            Ugly, sheesh! I wouldn't want to see your girlfriend.

                            overheat really easily
                            Not once.

                            intrusive
                            Yeah the imac is hugely intrusive.

                            feature-bloated (talking error messages? ffs.)
                            You can turn this off. It's supposed to be for people with disabilities.

                            expensive
                            TOC is competitive

                            software-deficient
                            I can do all I want to do. And I can run Windows apps if I purchase virtual PC and I can run Linux on it and I can run X11 apps for free.

                            and totally, totally naff.
                            Blah blah blah....

                            I don't think I've ever seen a set of computers so constantly problematic as the iMacs my student newspaper uses.
                            Let me guess, they are running system 9 or earlier?
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by panag
                              hi ,

                              then why is it that we can run more calculations a sec then a pc , .....
                              This one's easy -- they can't!

                              Not even close, actually.
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                              • #90
                                There is a freeware haxie called Tinkertool that allows you to specify the format of grabbed pictures.


                                I'll have to get that. Thanks.
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