British suicide bomber strikes Israel

[Sandman]

Sandman, did you even read the story?

Sorry, TV news, and a foreign office minister, suggested that it was not proven, and suggested forgery. But I'll take that as stuffy British propaganda.

You negotiated while firing on them, you mean

At least for the first several years

No, we tried to defeat the terrorists militarily, and it didn't work.

[Pekka]

I made a poem to Omar..

You can run
You can hide
Eventually, you will die

Maybe tomorrow
Maybe not
Eventually, you'll get shot

You can jump
You can duck
You will run out of luck

There's no place
There's no room
For you there's only doom

[Sandman]

We should take a leaf out of France's book and start training our own imans, so we don't have to import nutters from the Middle East.

[Pekka]

So.. what can we learn from this? At least that there is a clear connection to terrorist organisation in Palestine to UK. This might not be a surprise though. They have recruiters in UK too.. that one also might not be surprise. It's good time now to start hunting those recruiters, see who they talk to and get to the roots. Blast'em all!

[Sirotnikov]

Pekka, was your sig really said by Edmund Burkc?


I'm interested to know what will the brittish do now.

[Pekka]

Siro, Are you trying to say I have a spelling error somewhere?

[CyberGnu]

Pekka, what exactly is it that you want the UK to do?

al-Muhajiroun is already under surveillance, but unless they actually break the law, what they are doing is considered free speech.

Sure, they are a lunatic fringe group with some pretty abhorrent views, but even they are entitled to free speech... Just like the Clan in the US or skinheads in Finland.

[Sirotnikov]

Well two things I'd expect.

1. Since members of that team committed suicide bombings, they should be put under stricter surveillance and checked whether they incite to violence and terror.

2. I can't believe how can a group like this call for the creation of a muslim religious state in Britain, instead of the Parlamentarial Democracy + Kingdom you have there.

They are trying to subjugate a country with years of traditions and stature and democracy, and change it's culture. Isn't this a sort of "cultural genocide"?

Furthermore, aren't there any laws protecting democracy?

In Israel, a basic law (since we don't have a constitution we have several "basic laws" which can be changed only with an 80% majority in parliament, or something of this sort.) says that elected political movements can not call for the destruction of Israel, as a state, as a democracy, or as a jewish homeland. Such a group will be banned from parliament and public posts or affiliations.

Furthermore, if there is evidence of them inciting to violence, they will usually be surveilled and shut down if possible.

[DanS]

a follower of the fundamentalist group al-Muhajiroun, which campaigns to turn Britain into an Islamic state



Talk about nutters. They're going to have to kick out 58 million atheists.

[gsmoove23]

In Israel, a basic law (since we don't have a constitution we have several "basic laws" which can be changed only with an 80% majority in parliament, or something of this sort.) says that elected political movements can not call for the destruction of Israel, as a state, as a democracy, or as a jewish homeland. Such a group will be banned from parliament and public posts or affiliations.

I wonder if we could do this with the religious right in the US.

Furthermore, if there is evidence of them inciting to violence, they will usually be surveilled and shot down if possible.

Jeez Siro, lets not turn Britain into the West Bank just yet.

[DarthVeda]

So... does this guy have anything to do with Captain Hook?

[Ben Kenobi]

Siro, Are you trying to say I have a spelling error somewhere?

Pekka:

That's a famous quote of Edmund Burke

[Sirotnikov]

Jeez Siro, lets not turn Britain into the West Bank just yet.

I had a minor spelling mistake

shot = shut


LOL

[CerberusIV]

The British way of dealing with this is to let these people run around and shout their extremist views. This achieves two things. First it makes it easy to identify them and their followers. Second it upsets the moderate people and gets the extremists labelled as such so they can be derided and ridiculed.

[MikeH]

Bad news.

We've started locking up some of the more extreme ones now. New laws passed that mean you can be arrested for inciting racial violence.

News here full of British Muslims condemning this pair and expressing their shock.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2990841.stm