Gathering Storm Embassy

[binTravkin]

Or using the code tags.

Doesn't help - check the source of above code tag by me - anything that is written as '<tag>' turns out as '' or nothing

[ForesterSOF]

Open sounds nice but I see RED flags when it is mentioned.

[binTravkin]

What do you mean?

[ForesterSOF]

I dont like Open Borders.

[PJayTycy]

Why is that ? The only good thing I see about closed borders is to block their coastal exploration with non-ocean ships.

[Impaler[WrG]]

As were already planning open borders with Bananas I think it would be rather insulting to Storm if deny it to them. Also due to their great distance from us neither has much insentive to get hostile with the other.

When we make the offer of Banana land to GS I think we could resonably off them all the land south of our current scout location, we would come out a bit ahead in total as we would have the bulk of the former banana territory. In any case it will be a long time before either of us is able to fully use the land if this becomes a 2-civ continent.

I'm going to try to get the 3 way aranged for this coming weekend. The main goal will be tech negotiation, our open position should be to extend bee-lining plans to all 3 civs for maximum efficiency. Our secret agenda will be to steer the other teams tech paths in such a way that Bananas are weakened and Storm becomes an enhanced trading partner able to substitute for the Bananas. One of the Keys here might be to have Storm get alphabet rather then bananas under the pre-tense of them being able to research it faster.

An important issue will be MetalCasting, so far I've treated the fact we have it as a closly guarded state secret but their are plenty of hints that we might try to get it. Should this policy continue for one or both of the other teams? Its unlikley we will be able to conceal the fact for much longer as were going to be signing open borders. I could anounce that we resently poped the Metal Casting but this runs the risks of the Bananas deducing our strategy. Also if scouts are able to see the forge in Beging the jig will be up as they say.

I think we should continue being friendly with GS and de-emphisis our relationship with Bananas to them. We wont reveal our war plans untill the armies have started marching. Even without much notice they should be able to take the southern city as it will lack reinforcments.

[PJayTycy]

I think we should keep metal casting concealed.

If either team finds out about it, I think they'll understand our position on keeping it a secret.

We, however, should try to know exactly when they will know it, so our diplomacy is prepared.

[N35t0r]

They'll realise as soon as we pop the GE, and they'll suspect heavily then. Maybe telling them now, under the excuse of collosus + forges?

[Mart]

Like in Smac, when war is declared and due to open borders an attacking civ has military inside attacked teritory, they automatically get expelled outside borders. The question is more about intelligence and spying or am I missing smth?

[Chaos Theory]

No need to declare our metal casting - once we get the GE, the nanas will be doomed, and we can tell GS we wanted to keep the secret to ambush the nanas, an entirely believable and true excuse.

[binTravkin]

One of the Keys here might be to have Storm get alphabet rather then bananas under the pre-tense of them being able to research it faster.

Should ask them how long would it take.

An important issue will be MetalCasting, so far I've treated the fact we have it as a closly guarded state secret but their are plenty of hints that we might try to get it.

PJay, what are the chances, GS knows we have MC?
The things they have are:
- score
- graphs
- mention that we're on way to open borders, which might be translated as we're researching writing (which is true)

Im curious, because you were able to deduce no other team has Classical era techs, so other teams could be able to deduce we have them two and that leaves only a few options.

Like in Smac, when war is declared and due to open borders an attacking civ has military inside attacked teritory, they automatically get expelled outside borders. The question is more about intelligence and spying or am I missing smth?

Yes it is. If we let them free passage, they can easily spot both our military buildup (from city placement and when units are finished) and the fact we have MC, by observing the buildings seen at Beijing.
That's why we should clearly cathegorise two types of open borders:
- open borders for trade routes
- open borders for military passage
and give both Bananas and GS only the first one for now.

When we make the offer of Banana land to GS I think we could resonably off them all the land south of our current scout location, we would come out a bit ahead in total as we would have the bulk of the former banana territory. In any case it will be a long time before either of us is able to fully use the land if this becomes a 2-civ continent.

Let's wait and scout the place.
Im having a habit to never give up land that will have to be conquered back in the end.

[N35t0r]

Originally posted by Chaos Theory
No need to declare our metal casting - once we get the GE, the nanas will be doomed, and we can tell GS we wanted to keep the secret to ambush the nanas, an entirely believable and true excuse.

And GS might then hint the nanas.. They'll know the nanas are doomed, but if they warn them, they'll be able to put up a fiercer defense, which will be of advantage to GS.

If we mention it now, stating that we wanted to start farming GE points, and finish a wonder just after getting the GE, then it will seem really likely that that was what we used it for.

[binTravkin]

Doubt they will hook up on this.
In a natural situation, you dont want to inform your opponent you're gonna have the means to build any available wonder soon, because he might get his act together and finish the most precious to him wonder before you get the chance.

So, if we tell that we're farming GE points for Pyramids, they'll know for sure we want Machinery.

[Chaos Theory]

If we lie to GS about using the GE for a wonder, then we might have some explaining to do when, a few turns later, we pour out CKNs.

[Senethro]

THE POWERFUL NEED EXPLAIN NOTHING! AN ARMY IS A FACT AND STRENGTH IS THE LAST WORD IN ANY ARGUEMENT!