The Glory of Manifestos

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by OPD
Am I the only one who really loves these kind of threads, the emotion and desire expressed in these threads is so much more appealing than the usual stuff. Accusations and slander add a whole new dimention to the game and make things alot more interesting and emotional when it comes to crunch time.

Amen to that!!

[Shiber]

Originally posted by Master Zen
BF, I think we already went over this countless times, if RP really though MPP=NAP, then why did you explicitly try to include a NAP during the negotiations for a second treaty?

Because they were expecting GoW to creatively reinterpret the MPP agreement, in light of their past?

[Beta]

Originally posted by OPD
Am I the only one who really loves these kind of threads, the emotion and desire expressed in these threads is so much more appealing than the usual stuff. Accusations and slander add a whole new dimention to the game and make things alot more interesting and emotional when it comes to crunch time.

Yup. I agree. Just have to keep it all in perspective.

Originally posted by FrustratedPoet:
"but you're all very weird."


Response by Davout: "It is the untold criteria to be admitted here."

[Beta]

Re: Re: The Glory of Manifestos

Originally posted by nbarclay


Further, while I admit that Gathering Storm took advantage of an agreement between our teams to favor our interests over yours, was not your entire purpose in requesting the agreement in the first place to manipulate us into acceeding to your interests at the clear expense of our own? You and Neu Demogyptica had already decided to divide Bob between yourselves and, further, had essentially decided that there would be no place for any significant Gathering Storm presence there (if any presence at all).

Gee - I sort of remember quoting almost exactly those same words regarding a settlement on Bob some 1000+ years ago.

[nbarclay]

At a risk of beating the tattered skeleton of what was once, in the distant past, a horse, I'd like to counter GoW's analogy with another analogy.

Suppose, when we cut off Vox's iron, they had also been at war with Glory of Pigeons. (Disclaimer: the names used for hypothetical teams are strictly fictional and are not intended to represent any real teams, living or dead.) And suppose, in turn, that a war was in the process of starting between Glory of Pigeons and Gathering Ducks. Gathering Ducks sees that Vox is at war with their near-future enemy, Glory of Pigeons. They want Vox to survive, prosper, and do as much damage to Glory of Pigeons as possible. Therefore, they supply Vox with iron.

In a situation such as that, would supplying Vox with iron have constituted a hostile act by Gathering Ducks against Gathering Storm? No. It would have constituted a hostile act against Glory of Pigeons, and an act of friendship toward a nation that Gathering Ducks had a common enemy with, but the fact that Gathering Storm got hurt would have been a side effect of an action that's real target was someone else entirely. Gathering Storm would still have regarded the matter as anywhere from annoying to a cause for war (assuming we weren't bound by a NAP), depending on how we felt about Gathering Ducks and Glory of Pigeons at the time, but calling it a hostile act against us when the real target was Glory of Pigeons would have been a serious stretch.

Similarly, while our NAP precluded our treating GoW as an enemy, we and RP did have a common enemy nonetheless: Neu Demogyptica. That gave us reasons completely independent of our feelings toward GoW to want RP to be as healthy as possible and as able to put troops on their front lines with ND as possible under the circumstances.

Looking purely through the lenses of how our actions affected GoW, I can see how they could construe our actions as hostile acts against them. That's why GS hasn't tried to start flaming GoW as deal-breakers in this matter. But the reality is that we were pursuing a course that would help GS against ND without causing any genuine harm to GoW (except, of course, to their ambitions for an easy conquest of our ally) along the way.

[Panzer32]

Glory of Pigeons

There is never glory in pigeons


What is the quickest way to make a city look horrible? War or Pigeons?

BTW, thats a good theme for a PTWDG III team.

Although I think most believe war to be much more agreeable then pigeons.

[Master Zen]

Ah but the difference is that the Glory of Pigeons would know from the start that supplying iron would have ment indirect harm to Gathering Ducks, it is imppossible to deny the hostility of that act towards another team regarldess of being allied with Bux

Thus, impeding the advance of the Glory of Pigeons against Horseplay constituted a hostile act by the Gathering Ducks as well as on the Old Demopigtica front, all at this time when Playmobiland remained idle.

We can also make analogies between the situation which pitted Old Demopigtica and Flux Vulnerablia that that's another story...

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Master Zen
To set the record straight, if it wasn't me bugging you, you would have never answered me.

Bull hockey! However the fact that you are so arrogant that you feel you can read my mind is fairly amusing.

[Master Zen]

I never said I could read your mind, all I said that we felt ignored since we were not given answers on time and your team has admitted there were mistakes in sending PMs.

Diplomatic mistakes happen, sure, but look at the consequences: war.

[Panzer32]

Originally posted by Master Zen
Ah but the difference is that the Glory of Pigeons would know from the start that supplying iron would have ment indirect harm to Gathering Ducks, it is imppossible to deny the hostility of that act towards another team regarldess of being allied with Bux

Thus, impeding the advance of the Glory of Pigeons against Horseplay constituted a hostile act by the Gathering Ducks as well as on the Old Demopigtica front, all at this time when Playmobiland remained idle.

We can also make analogies between the situation which pitted Old Demopigtica and Flux Vulnerablia that that's another story...

quit turning my witty proceedings into propaganda

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by Master Zen
Ah but the difference is that the Glory of Pigeons would know from the start that supplying iron would have ment indirect harm to Gathering Ducks, it is imppossible to deny the hostility of that act towards another team regarldess of being allied with Bux

It would seem that in your language, "hostile" means "detrimental," while in ours, it means "for the purpose of causing harm". Would you care to suggest a suitable torture for the incompetent translators responsible for this mess?

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by nbarclay

It would seem that in your language, "hostile" means "detrimental," while in ours, it means "for the purpose of causing harm". Would you care to suggest a suitable torture for the incompetent translators responsible for this mess?

Yes, forcing that person to play as Korea during the rest of his existance.

[E_T]

As I've been away for more than a week because of moving, just coming back and reading this thread has lifted my spirits somewhat. This whole thing is choice....



E_T

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by Panzer32


There is never glory in pigeons

Right. Glory of Pigeons does not exist. Doesn't that make it a perfect name for a team that does not exist?

[Panzer32]

No it doesn't. It makes me think of the extreme concentrations of uric acid in bird's well... you know