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**GhengisFarb™** · July 30, 2003, 07:49

Re: Re: The Glory of Manifestos

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**Harovan** · July 30, 2003, 08:01

Re: Re: Re: The Glory of Manifestos

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
GS and ND will have to resettle the south in an effective way to utilize the land, those Spanish idiots certainly were horrible city planners.....

I just had to quote this, to prevent Ghengis from editing it. Great debating style! I applaud, Glory of Broken Vows!

**DeepO** · July 30, 2003, 08:09

GoW, you guys are funny

. You may want to try to convince the world about how dishonorable we are, when all of the previous GoW deals were in some way violated by GoW, not by us. OTOH, it takes serious stretching of truth to try to convince anyone that we broke a treaty...

If you would read your own reply, you even contradict yourself: we would have suggested to you that you should take RP, by signing a deal and discussing it about 6-7 turns ago, when you were preparing for RP targets for over 10+ turns?

Right.

Never mind, GF... stop whining, this war is not going to be so easy as the RP gangbang you set out for. Sorry, too bad. It was your choice, so bring it on!

DeepO

**Shiber** · July 30, 2003, 08:14

That's the spirit!
This is war, not the senate. Back up your words with sticks and stones, not more words. Long speeches and silly arguments and sticky propaganda don't contribute much to the fun element in this game, I reckon.

**GhengisFarb™** · July 30, 2003, 08:18

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**Arrian** · July 30, 2003, 08:47

at GoW.

Pathetic.

Sorry, fellas, for a team that opening gloated about using loopholes in agreements, you don't have a leg to stand on.

NAP = Non Agression Pact. No more, no less. We have not taken aggressive action against you. We have not violated your territory. We have not attacked your units. You can try and twist this any way you want, but we aren't the deal breakers here.

Christ! We didn't even NEED a loophole. You got us to sign a NAP with you. Fine. They we, via diplomatic means, acquire cities you coveted for yourselves. Perhaps if you hadn't dilly-dallied with those pretty little Riders, you'd have them by now. But no, we acquired them first - WHICH I REMIND YOU COULD VERY WELL HAVE HAPPENED IF WE HAD COME IN ON YOUR SIDE.

I understand your frustration. Things didn't work out the way you wanted. If that means you're going to attack us - STFU AND DO IT ALREADY!

Bring it. The Armies of the Storm stand ready.

-Arrian

**OPD** · July 30, 2003, 08:51

Top 5 alternatinve names for Glory of War

5. Glory of Wimps
4. Glory of ugly Women
3. Glory of Whinning
2. Glory of Wuss
1. Glory of Weasels

Disclaimer: .......usual stuff.. personal opinion etc...

**Hot_Enamel** · July 30, 2003, 08:51

I love reading these trash threads

Two things though.....

Originally posted by notyoueither
Yeah, whatever. You want it. You got it. You will get no bleating from us.

Bring it on.

Please... we tried to ensure that it would never come to this.
We did deals before we attacked.
And we attempted to negotiate when you accepted the gifted cities.

Our only fault was that we did relied on the GS honour code that they would keep their word. We assumed they would not take aggresive acts against us. That was our only mistake.

Originally posted by nbarclay

But we did not attack you, enter your territory, or even interfere with a war you were already involved in in-game.
Nathan

Can someone please get Nathan up to date. GS claim they got RP cities through their great diplomacy only. It must of had nothing to do with our Riders and ND's Ansars sitting at RP's borders.

Explain then, how accepting gifted cities right before we were about to attack is not interfereing with our war. How denying us passage through the cities is not interfereing with our war.

Good Grief

**Darekill** · July 30, 2003, 08:54

Gee.
Can't we just go down to the battlefield and fight a bit?

I'm not sure that ND and GoW will win this. I'm not sure RP and GS will win. I hope we can prevent that from happening.

But it is quite obvious that GS had plans to get a big chunk of Borconia anyway. So you guys should not take our War as a excuse for the invasion. Just say that you are after a domination victory and it is all right with me. We will try to prevent that of course but we understand it.

On the other Hand it is also obvious that ND and GoW want to expand. The Situation on Borconia left no doubt that there would be a two on one war anyway only the constellation was not plain to see. Most likely and most feared by ND was the alliance between RP and GoW. RP should ask themselves how this odd alliance could happen between GoW and ND which was not easy to predict at first. There are reasons for that.

The next point is how our Neighbors the remaining two teams fit in this powerplay. Vox is beaten up a bit. they still have some power but they have other things to do now then mingle in a war that does not take place on their new continent. Legos has obviously all the time in the world to sit back and watch the spectaculum. They can decide on which point they deem one of the combatants is likely to win and intervenve on the side of the losing party. this will ensure their large continent will be sufficient to win either by spacerace or by outproducing the other Nations.

So tell me if you don't agree but remain honest. This is my point of view and I'm almost sure that I'm not so wrong. All the other horsecrap of honor and keeping contracts and beeing in the right seen from the view of a dubious moral does not count. This is a game. It is a game about power and might it is brutal and cold. We can make out of it what we want. We can play it nice and easy and claim all are victoryous if we manage to play without wars and end it peacefull or we can try to prove our skills on the battlefield by fighting each other. I've already used to many words to express that I#m fed up by semimoralist arguments from anysides. I'm pretty sure that no one is as coldblooded in Real Life then he is here in this game so come on be as mean as you think you need to be but stopp telling lies that no one will belive!

**OliverFA** · July 30, 2003, 08:58

Re: The Glory of Manifestos

Originally posted by Master Zen
- Should GS ignore this manifesto, The Glory of War will take all steps necessary to deny victory to GS in this game.

Are you telling us that you were allowing GS to win the game?

**OliverFA** · July 30, 2003, 09:02

Originally posted by Darekill
You did not answer the replys and i find it designative that you aready consider yourself as in war with us. You could have told us that earlier.

It is curious that you ask them to tell you that you are in war, because you didn't told us that we were in war until you were ready to strike. If you don't act with honour don't expect the enemy to act with honour.

**Arrian** · July 30, 2003, 09:03

Gee.
Can't we just go down to the battlefield and fight a bit?

Agreed.

-Arrian

**FrustratedPoet** · July 30, 2003, 09:08

Originally posted by Darekill
I've already used to many words to express that I#m fed up by semimoralist arguments from anysides. I'm pretty sure that no one is as coldblooded in Real Life then he is here in this game so come on be as mean as you think you need to be but stopp telling lies that no one will belive!

For God's sake listen to this man, people!

**Shiber** · July 30, 2003, 09:10

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
We did deals before we attacked.
And we attempted to negotiate when you accepted the gifted cities.

Even from GoW's POV, I'm sure you had realized that the offers that you've made us were garbage.

Darekill:

You expressed exactly what was on my mind.

**vondrack** · July 30, 2003, 09:13

@ Darekill.

As if you used my own words...

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