30% Iron Civer Tournament

[McMeadows]

Are people aware enough of the special definition civ gives to 'trade'? I wasn't, Bongo wasn't, and I had the impression that Flandrien and/or McMeadows might have been 'going with the flow' on the issue. Would clarifiying the language of 1-2 somehow avoid future misunderstandings?

'going with the flow'?

To end the discussion and to avoid one in the future, go add to the etiquette.

[jshelr]

wouldn't hurt my feelings if you added language defining trade.

[bongo]

Would be very good indeed. Apart from resource/luxury trade, we got tech trades, border agreements, Non Agression Pacts, Mutual Protection Pacts, limited MPPs(towards one/some civs only), research pacts and probably much more.

[Aqualung71]

NEWS FLASH

Ricketyclik of the Arabs has been eliminated from Coliseum A. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say, he eliminated himself after gifting 2 cities to the Japanese and then letting them walk into his capital, after the Incan hordes had demolished 3 of his towns.

[sabrewolf]

welcome off board, rick!

[snoopy369]

Question: (and not to imply any wrongdoing here, just curious) What is or is not considered ok for this tournament in terms of 'giving up'. IE, giving cities slash destroying cities? I know it's tempting to give your cities to either your allies or just the opposite side when you're losing -- but it often throws off the balance of the game, and (again) penalizes the winning player(s)...

[Rommel2D]

2-2 Cities may be offered diplomatically only as part of a peace treaty.

Gifting cities on your way out is a pretty clear imbalancing factor and violation of this one. A peace treaty implies you are trying to maintain a presence in the game.

I'd go back and abandon Rick's cities after his last turn, but it sounds like Paddy and Aqua are ok with continuing as is...?

[Paddy]

well while I am not ok with the process, my lads are just rolling through the country side either smashing the cities, or watching the mad Jappaman abandon them after recieving them as gifts...

all very strange indeed

[marcuspeddle]

I now own nothing gifted to me by Ricketyclik. Nothing was produced in the cities between the time I received them and abandoned them.

[Aqualung71]

I'm not impressed since it's a clear violation of the rules. However, it was never going to change much in this case so I'm not too bothered, which is why we just kept playing.

[Paddy]

Originally posted by Masuro
I now own nothing gifted to me by Ricketyclik. Nothing was produced in the cities between the time I received them and abandoned them.

while this may be true

you have not allowed the conqueoring army any spoils...

he just gave them to you

and you have mainly abandoned them

[ricketyclik]

I agree, it is a violation of 2-2, sorry, didn't notice that one. I was thinking along the lines of history, where a small nation essentially surrenders it's sovereignty to a favoured neighbour or friend. (eg: Australia to the US )

I'm open to whatever, and I'm sorry for unintentionally breaking the rule.

[marcuspeddle]

I'm still willing to go back a few turns

[Paddy]

I bet you are

[ricketyclik]

Originally posted by Paddy the Scot


while this may be true

you have not allowed the conqueoring army any spoils...

he just gave them to you

and you have mainly abandoned them

I could have abandoned them too.