Patch now available

[Libertarian]

Okay, Salve. Your advice makes sense. I'll back away. Thank you.

[MonsterMan]

Originally posted by player1


You should download correct editor (from apolyton or civfanatics).
Correct version is 1.15 BIC 2.10

I had already done that when I posted, and it didn't help. I'll wait until the company releases the patch again, maybe it'll work again.

[Panag]

Hi ,

Infogrames , grrrrrr , they still are running the old 1.16 patch as a download , ..............;

by the way , what is the story with the editor parch , i tried to run , got an error , anyone got some info on this ,.....?

hmmm , well , just something i like to say , some people are open to critic('s) some are not , and hum , i seems that a guy from Greece nows how to run a server , of course some people may say and/or suggest that that guy from Greece is getting money from it , well at least he does his job , regardless if he is payed or not , and by the way , who would not like to earn some money , some people are just upset because they are not getting it , pfffffff , poor guys/girls !

hey Mark G , keep it up , ya doing a great job !

now a Q , i like to get the map's that come with game , their scenario's in to the "edit" , however firaxis blocked it somehow , anyone with some ideas for an override ?

Q , when you are making a huge map , 256x256 , any way to get an overview on your screen , like the "z" in the game ?

Q, about that cheat , okay lets say ya use it , is there some way, to close it off , and go on again , ??????

Have a nice day , David

[Phalanx2000]

the patch is gone from the FTP... what gives? Buggy?

[Panag]

no , it aint gone , the 1.16 is there , grrrrrrrrr

[zulu9812]

What about multiplayer? The AU's good - but it's nothing compared 2 a human opponent

[zulu9812]

the patch comes with the new editor, right?

[paulmagusnet]

Originally posted by MarkG
yes, but of which posts? of which threads? did you see me saying that all threads in the civ3 forums were like that?

btw, 3-4 out of 200 means 98-98.5%

Mark: I find myself in total agreement Lib, except that egos are valuable and should never be appologized for. I have often observed your personal attacks in other threads was quite shocked.

The people who criticise CIVIII do so because we do love the game. If we didn't care we wouldn't write. That critisism is valuable, I teach quality management and customer comments, especially negative ones are extremely valuable opportunities.

You personally owe Lib, and others in this forum an appology for some of the unwaranted, glibe and mean gibes you've made to their persons. Simply that as the moderator of this forum you have a higher responsiblity not only to be fair, but to set an example for the behavior of others, if you want to maintain your credability.

And yes, the overt and perversive PC censorship is annoying and insulting, but it is your forum, your rules, and your problem. But if your concerned about other people's feelings, try to respect them in practice with the words you do allow.

It is personally embarrasing to me that I've had to make this statement to you.

Other than this I do think you've done an excellent job.

The fact is that CIV III is a seriously flawed product IN RELATION TO WHAT IT SHOULD BE for a 3rd generation 21st century product. As a game, it is not without merit. But the flaws go deeper than tweeks and patches, there is serious negligence and immaturity that is obvious to see. This is not a whine, it is a thoughtful evaluation of a product based upon experience and knowledge. It breaks my heart when I try to play it.

[paulmagusnet]

Blatant Unjustified and stupid Insult to a Person

Originally posted by woody


Mark, don't bother responding to Lib. He's an egotistical jerk, who needs to have his deflated self-esteem pumped up by people responding to his inane personal attacks. You're only encouraging him. Everyone knows he's a hypocrit. If people would just ignore him, maybe he'll go away.

Oh, and Mark, a VERY public statement concerning this posting might be warrented, along with a ban from the forum for some reasonable period of time.
This is the kind of thing your actions have encouraged.

Please DO someting about it, before it becomes common and acepted practice.

Respectfully yours,

Paul Neubauer

[MarkG]

lib: i made a comment about the content of some of the threads(and not the people) of the forums as being full of whining. if somehow you felt that yourself was included, i cant see how i caused it.

woody: the next time i see such language from you will mean a free ticket to mingapulco

lib, paulmagusnet: a single insulting post is a different thing from half a page of flames

panag: on whether or not we're making a profit from this, please take a good look on our ads

paulmagusnet: criticism is one thing, whining is another. if when i make a general comment about whining someone feels personally insulted, that is something i can not do anything about.

[volcanohead]

There are many posters here who have supported the Civ series for many years, who feel personally involved with the game, and who are smart. And we have Firaxis who, by all accounts, are similarly motivated by Civ, and are beavering away coming up with solutions to the problems that have been raised by posters on these boards and other forums.

The problem is that many posters are driven to frustration by the lack of information coming from Firaxis, and I can imagine that many Firaxians must get pretty frustrated with what they read on these boards. I can understand why Firaxis wants to be close-lipped about what they're doing, having being burnt badly by recent events.

Markos already does much to improve the quantity of information provided to us, but I have to agree with Lib, sometimes he does appear to be overtly negative to some posters who are critical of Firaxis, and overly lenient with some of the disgusting comments made by the 'anti-whiner' crowd (Ironikinit should have been publicly humiliated for the ****-sucker post, but I saw nothing).

Now, Markos makes a fair point, in every thread there is usually some signal and a lot of noise, and it can be time consuming to filter out that noise.

I'd like to suggest to Markos to open two threads, which are only open to him and which contain the following:

Thread 1: Apolyton's approved comments, suggestions, bugs and criticisms with regard to Civ3

Thread 2: Distilled information deriving from Firaxis.

In this way, the comment that Markos made about the difficulty Firaxis has in finding the relevant information from us is resolved, and we have a one-stop-shop for the latest from Firaxis.

This is obviously a fair amount of work, and requires Markos to read through each thread and take the sensible and cogent comments he thinks relevant to insert into the first thread. Optimistically though, if people now that if they post a clear and well argued case for something or other, then there is a fair chance it will be included in 'the list', and this will increase the quality of posting as well as reducing frustration.

It will also open up Markos to criticism as it will be very clear to all of us what his ideas and opinions are in the selection process. And for this I can understand if he thinks its a bad idea. Peronally, I believe that he has enough objectivity to do this well, and it could serve as a safety valve for all of us.

Regards

V

[Libertarian]

lib: i made a comment about the content of some of the threads(and not the people) of the forums as being full of whining. if somehow you felt that yourself was included, i cant see how i caused it.

I'm not at all concerned about myself in this matter, Mark. If you'll look once more, you'll see that my post was not about me. Let the gnats go, and have a look at the camels.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Libertarian
I'm not at all concerned about myself in this matter, Mark. If you'll look once more, you'll see that my post was not about me.

Originally posted by Libertarian

it seems that you based your whole analysis plus what seemed like a feeling of being personally insulted on that comment

I suppose it would, wouldn't it?

so it was not about you, but it was just derived from you feeling insulted?

[Phalanx2000]

Hey guys and gals. Please don't flame me I'm just trying to understand what is going on:

The 1.17f patch was available but now it isn't. It was obviously pulled for a reason. My question is, was it pulled bc of an editor issue or the stacking thing or what? Multiple reasons? I don't want to install it if the general vibe is to not do it, so.... can y'all help me out here?

Thanks,

Pha

[woody]

Originally posted by volcanohead
I'd like to suggest to Markos to open two threads, which are only open to him and which contain the following:

Thread 1: Apolyton's approved comments, suggestions, bugs and criticisms with regard to Civ3

Thread 2: Distilled information deriving from Firaxis.

Good idea. It's very frustrating to read this forum, which is supposed to be moderated. Unfortunately, there's more noise here (mostly whining), than there is on Usenet. That's pretty bad! Yes, I know I've posted a couple of articles which just added more noise, but it's out of the frustration of having to read so many stupid posts just to find one good one.

There is useful information on this forum, but it's often time-consuming to find. A few top-threads, which are heavily moderated, would be much more useful. I think that only the moderators should be allowed to forward articles to those threads. This would stop a lot of flame-wars.