Civilization III v1.16f Additions/Changes/Fixes

[Libertarian]

Yes. I call upon the whiners to be as reasonable as the fanboys so that we can make peace with one another. We've already offered the first olive branch by being remarkably lenient in our chastisement of you. What will you now offer?

Pottery, Masonry, and 10 gold. Not a penny more!

[Cavalier_13]

Originally posted by rid102


Apparently so. For some it's the quantity, not quality, of hair-pulling and eye-scratching that counts...

You would kind of hoped that both sides would have gotten over it by now, but alas...

It's a vicious circle....each side feeds upon the other, comsuming every bit of material, much like a nuclear explosion, and in the end, it's all for naught as both sides forget the real issues.

Sad really.

Cavalier

[Ray K]

Originally posted by Ozymandous


Hmm, my question is where were all the people who thought this "feature" sucked in Civ1 and Civ2 and posted loudly about it before Civ3 came out. Funny, but I don't remember ANY posts where people complained about that feature in Civ1 & Civ2 but suddenly it's ugly and a problem with the game??

Hello!?!?! This has been part of the Civ series since it came out years & years ago. Is it only because you can't use the sprawling roads and rail networks of the enemy to easily conqueror them that this has suddenly turned into a "problem"?

Railroad sprawl DID suck in Civ1 and Civ2, but we didn't realize how much it sucked until CTP fixed the problem.

This issue is not using enemy RR to conquer, but the unnecessary micromanaging of putting them in every square.

[rid102]

Yes. I call upon the whiners to be as reasonable as the fanboys so that we can make peace with one another.

But then surely the whiners would be culturally assimilated into fanboys?

At least the arguments would stop, though...

Fanboys: Would you be satisfied with a domination victory?

Our armies march upon your cities, I urge you to discuss peace terms! We demand: Peace Treaty, Ivory and 3 gold per turn!

[Cavalier_13]

Originally posted by Libertarian
Yes. I call upon the whiners to be as reasonable as the fanboys so that we can make peace with one another. We've already offered the first olive branch by being remarkably lenient in our chastisement of you. What will you now offer?

Hmmm....I feel I should say something here, but Yin or Venger will most likely chastise you for your patronizing and inane drivel.

Me, on the otherhand, well, I'll paraphrase "The Rock" and tell you to turn that olive branch a quarter turn sideways and stick it up your roody-poo candy ................

Lib, I've read your incessant butt kissing, bend over and take it, gotta have it Fixaxis can do no wrong bull as much as I care to without saying something.

YOU offered the first olive branch, you being the first to pounce on anything that does not read "Civ3 is perfect" or better? You have been LENIENT in your chastisement of US? Get a cluebrick you zealot. If anything, you've been adding the most fuel on the fire by trolling any and everyone individually, and now with this post, you pretty much troll everyone.

I see YOU'VE never read the story about the pot calling the kettle black.

Cavalier.

[rid102]

Get a cluebrick you zealot.

That's the spirit!

Our mighty armies will smite your puny empire! Prepare for WAR!

[Libertarian]

I see YOU'VE never read the story about the pot calling the kettle black.

Whoosh!

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[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by Ozymandous
He may have been using an Industrious worker, they are naturally faster and if he was under Democracy after getting RP then the worker might be a 1 turn irrigate, who knows. The fastest I have seen was one turn road on plains and 2 turns to irrigate plains/grassland.

I apologise, that was an oversight on my part

My worker was industrius, post-Replacable Parts, and under Democracy. 1 turn to build irrigation, railroads, and i think mines too. For non-industius workers, it would take 2 or 3 turns. For slaves (captured workers), it would be double the turns to build stuff.

Not that anyone is actually taking notice, in the middle of this massive war

[rid102]

I apologise, that was an oversight on my part

It's a trick!

We know you're just after RoP!

[rid102]

Whoosh!

W see that the evil nation of Fanboys has discovered the secret of Rocketry!

We offer 250 gold, Incense and 15 gold per turn in exchange for Rocketry!

[Bane Star]

Re: Nice ....

Originally posted
* Shield bonus from clearing forest can only be received once per game

does this mean that only the first forest will yield shields? or only once per forest and planted forests will not yield shields?

Ohhh man, I thought had difficulty from playing before, Sometimes due to corruption (which thankfully is fixed slightly) my cities have only 1 shield a turn and only due to 3 workers nearby can I grow/plant a forest, then chop them down for enough shields to build a courthouse, otherwise its 80turns before I can build said courthouse, and by then I've probably lost siad city or lost the game due to the lack of productive cities.

Pahhh!

[Venger]

Originally posted by Childe Roland
The Emporer has no clothes? You accuse anyone who enjoys the game of blindly supporting such a broken product.

Sigh...this is getting tiresome - you have created ANOTHER straw man. I have never "accused" anyone who simply enjoys the game of this. I have defended my position that there are a number of serious gameplay and design issues, and that when the fanboys come out of the woodwork to bombthrow, and say "Civ3 is the best game ever, just deal with it" or "you just can't win cause you only played Civ2" or other totally pointless drivel, I will indeed bring up their apparent blind loyalty. Does your evaluation extend to any other thread?

Why can't you accept that some people enjoy the game in it's current state?

Accept? What on earth can you possibly be talking about? How am I "rejecting" your enjoyment of the game? By pointing out serious gameplay and design issues? See, that's where it starts, point them out, get the fanboy trolls to "you just complain" post, so I can point out their trolling, which of course you latch onto as some "proof" that I just cannot allow them to enjoy the game.

So, in it's current state, since you enjoy, will you not be patching it?

You accuse me of blindly defending my false idol when I specifically mention some of it's problems.

Where. Try QUOTING if you want to back up this bogus argument. Show exactly where this grand offense happened, as you state it.

You resort to namecalling when others disagree.

Again, QUOTE IT. I think you'll find any namecalling occurs in retaliation for ad hominem attacks. So quote it.

Because I enjoy the game, even with the bugs, I am a mindless drone .... a fanboy?

Asked AND ANSWERED in my last post to you. I explained that liking the game is not fanboy material, that:

Fanboys will attack anyone who attacks their false idol. Rather than debate points, they debate the validity of their opponents. They cannot accept that their emperor has no clothes.

See? I quoted.

Bah, why bother. It's not like you will ever really listen.

Okay, so why didn't you delete your post then? Oh, I see, it wasn't really designed to be dialogue, but diatribe.

You obviously are'nt here to really discuss anything with anyone else.

Exactly. That why I've posted on numerous topics, good and bad, with suggestions, on Civ3. More diatribe from you.

I get the impression that you are rather full of yourself,

And now the diatribe turns into an ad hominem attack...

here to educate the ignorant masses and save us from this terrible game

Here to see what others think, get their feedback, answers to my questions, and generally discuss with others who have enjoyed previous games of Civ what they think of the new one. And I have done that at length.

(I can't believe you take the time to link your vocabulary to www.dictionary.com .... well I guess I should be thankful .... 'thems high school words' .... your just trying to 'edumicate' me.) Your word is law, even though it seems you have never even finished a full game in Civ3, yep, you're the resident expert here.

It was in response to whether or not "rant" has a connotation to it, and I could have either quoted that here, or linked it there. I didn't feel like reformatting the HTML to make sense. I didn't attack his word defintion, I DEFENDED MINE. Read the damn post next time.

I never should have impled that you were in the same camp as Venger. That was insulting.

Where are your haughty nobilities now?

Venger

[Venger]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmmmmm

Originally posted by Ozymandous

Ohhh, mighty blow!! You sure scored a lot of points for picking on a spelling mistake there, let me tell you!!

It wasn't a spelling error - and and nor are spelled correctly. They are entirely opposite in connotation and obfuscate the next clause entirely.

Hmm, going to be fixed,

So does that mean that those criticisms of the game are valid, and of how the game was released without proper gameplay testing? Are we all now proved right?

going to be fixed in the patch (or gee you could beef it up in the EDITOR as well? Imagine that?)

The editor is supposed to CUSTOMIZE the game, not FIX it.

going to be fixed in the patch.

Your next list of complaints?

You think that was a laundry list of complaints? I chose three that were serious problems with the game and were in the patch, there are 10 times as many that aren't. So are you validating all of our complaints of the game?

Hmm, and let me guess you play UNPATCHED SMAC and CIV2 correct??? If not then you are a complete hypocrite.

???? No, I recognized the problems with each game...

Hmm, amusing how you automatically deduce that just because people don't agree with you they are "fanboys".

Quote it. I have said NO SUCH THING. Monoriu and I disagree on much, I have never, and would never, call him a fanboy, because he defends THE GAME, and doesn't attack the poster...

I guess you'd not be upset then if the majority of the people here posted like you and then we could call this place nothing but a "troll nest" simply because you didn't like the game?

Whatever...find a point please...

Get a clue,

Screw you. Like that? Whats real rich is later you'll accuse me of hijacking the thread and starting the attacks!



Venger

[Bane Star]

Re: More Ramblings

Originally posted by Ozymandous

Hmm, and we all know that ALL games, even those 3+ years in development like Diablo2, NEVER need any sort of patch right?

Wouldn't I love an Editor for Diablo2 even as good as the civ3 patch, ohhhh the possibilities!!!!

Originally posted by Ozymandous

Most games *will* get some sort of patch, it's up to the game company to make sure that any required patches are small and only tweak minor things, and aren't 10+ MB in size and have to essentially re-work the entire game.

I agree, Hey, every thing gets a patch, look at directors cut editions of movies, tv shows allways have a 'test audience' before they go to the final edit, McDonalds even has test states, where the most hardest state to sell anything is tested with the latest "kids toy" and if it makes break-even, then all the other states get it too.
D&D 3rd edition was alpha and beta tested with hundreds of playtesters to get things just right before release and even then, dragon magazine is still letting players know of the glitches.

no-one can be sure that everone will like anything that ever comes out, thats why the game comes out and then feedback lets the designers know what they missed.

I thought that people might be able to use this as ammo in future arguments

[Desert Dog]

Great news, now when is the next one?

Well forget about the complaints you are addressing some of the MAJOR issues with the game. I see at least 20 or more bugs not addressed though. The editor needs a nice little overview of current map your working on in a little window like it is in an actual game or like the old civ 2 editor
I really wish the diplomacy was slightly different. I will post my own suggestions in the proper thread. Good job getting a patch out this fast. I expected a much longer wait!

Desert Dog