c189# HAVE A LITTLE FAITH

[CobraA1]

Originally posted by Crouchback


Firaxis could end most of the flame war by making a simple commitment to make MP a free download.The FAQ's blatant side stepping of the issues isn't a good thing. Dan has done a fantastic job keeping us interested and excited with what little he has at his disposal, but this is a PR fiasco for the company because they are too concerned to maintain the illusion of mystery. We're reasonable people, but it is our hard earned cash they want which could go to any number of game publishers this holiday.

Infogrames may have more control over the distribution of MP than Firaxis . . .

I don't know enough about the relationship between Firaxis and Infogrames to make an educated reply. Maybe Firaxis simply hasn't thought out how they're going to distribute MP yet, but I'm guessing it would be a patch or add-on. I'm hoping it'll be free like everybody else.

Since Dan and the others have given us an astounding amount of information about the other aspects of the game, I'm sure they have a good reason for this. I'm hopelessly optimistic .

[orange]

yes actually. That is the main reason i wrote the column. I wanted to be sure that the actions of a few don't screw us all over. I've been here for a year and a half now, and I spent half a year pouring ideas, thought, and time into what I wanted to see in Civ III and there's a few thousand others who have done the same. I don't want Apolyton's buddy buddy relationship with Firaxis to be ruined. They've been to good to us, and don't deserve to put up with ****. They've ALWAYS asked us for suggestions, we have a whole forum dedicated to it! They have a web site up for civers, we're the first people they inform about things. Yet people just take that for granted now that the game's here and may not be the absolutely perfect dream they had for Civ III. I trust Sid and Firaxis to make the game. I loved Civ, I wasn't let down by Civ II, and I expect to be wowed by Civ III as I already have been.

[Shiva]

Originally posted by cyclotron7


The polls aren't invalid; the people's opinions are.

Just invalid because the conflit with your view? What a voice of reason

[orange]

Haven't you heard Shiva?

You're a ****er. And that is right.

[Shiva]

Re: Haven't you heard Shiva?

Originally posted by orange
You're a ****er. And that is right.

No im an infidel because I dont follow mindless jihads Im just waiting for haters to drag me to some soccer field and put a round in me

[aiin]

It's like watching a train wreck, i'm wondering how many ways people can go about complaining about MP and PR.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Oh, and btw, I really enjoyed the column.

If there is any constructive criticism left on this forum, it is drowned out by incessant whining

[cassembler]

I HAVE THE SOLUTION!!!!

Yeah I've been looking FOREVER for another thread about the whole Optimist vs Pesimist argument... Whew, I really didn't think that we've argued enough about it yet.

THE SOLUTION TO ALL OF IT:
If you don't like the criticism (aka complaining) then find another message board.

If you don't like the praise (aka blind faith) then find another message board.

If you don't want to buy Civ3, then don't.

If you do, then do.

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If you're looking to kill time until Civ3 comes out, the yeah, argument is fun.

If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands.
If you're not, then don't.

[jones]

Crazy. You "blind faith"-ers make me sick, too. Next time you say something foolish, and someone agrees with you rather than pointing out your mistake and correcting you, ask yourself "Why did that just happen?"

jones

"Never argue with a man who buys his ink by the gallon"
-??

[Sarxis]

eohian, I did not mean offense at you personally, and my comment was more a defensive reflex against the generalised statement you made at the end of your post. Your follow up post is right on The only reason I made my comment against your original post was to clarify that no one has any obligation to anyone as far as CivIII is concerened, except, as you said, if Firaxis and Infogrames wishes to retain consumer patronage, they would go out of their way to satisfy their customers (which they have done most of the time from my perspective).

And my qualms about the whole 'MP Liberation Movement' are not based upon the arguments presented by Yin and others, but rather the witty side remarks that are meant as insults and flames against those posters that openly disagree with them. In fact, I DO agree that the Firaxis PR people (who?) would be able to diffuse the Great Apolyton Civil War by simply posting a small explanation, apology, or SOMETHING concerning the exclusion of MP in the initial CivIII release.

At the same time, I still feel that Firaxis/Infogrames (F/I) has no obligation- legal or otherwise- to explain themselves concerning MP (which in fact, they have done in some of the recent interviews of Firaxians, albeit, in very short form).

I guess what the MP liberation movement really wants is an apology from F/I for so called 'misleading advertising' that assumed MP would be in CivIII on the 30th. I am quite certain that the online stores that 'misrepresented' CivIII in this respect had a footnote stating the 'Subject to Change' disclaimer. Besides an apology, I can't see what else the MP Liberation Movement could hope for. A boycott? Not likely.

[kittenOFchaos]

Yin = korean gamer stereotype...nuff said.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by yin26

Been a while since I had a good, long gag reflex. Thanks.

Yin, you beat me to it again!

When I read this column, it reminded me of Darth Vader:
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."

[Simpleton]

Originally posted by yin26


Ummm: BECAUSE WE B!ITHCED ABOUT IT! Good Lord...

All you 'shut up and don't complain' types owe those of us who made our dissatisfaction plainly clear a great deal, the way I see it. Left up to you, we'd still have 8 civs, ICS, and a number of horrid things in Civ.



Been a while since I had a good, long gag reflex. Thanks.

I was one of the people who agreed about being pessimistic about the Civ3, which I have since recanted. (I now think think they'll pull it off!)
However, I am sick and tired of all this complaining, which it was it is. Most of these such posts are not constructive but rather just plain old ranting!!
I find it silly that you and the likes of you take so much credit for Civ3! Did you spend a couple of years making this game? Did you help design the original Civ or Civ2 where most of the ideas came from? What effort did you, other than post a few messages on this site indicating things you would like?
Comon!!! This is just childish. Sure now and then it's ok to vent like "Hey I don't like that feature" or "Firaxis really didn't listen" but this endless whining!! God it's like I'm in a elementary school message board!!!!
This is not our game it is Firaxis'. As Orange said, they are under no obligation to cater to us. I think we are all lucky that they included as many suggestions as they did.
To those of you who are b!tching this is obviously causing you too much stress. Take a break from this board and get a life! IT'S JUST A FRIGGIN GAME!!!

[Fredric Drum]

Ok, listen. CIV III will most likely be the greatest game ever. And if it isn't, it's now October 14 and TOO LATE to do anything about it! So just wait for the game and try it. If it stinks, don't play it anymore. It's a game. If it's great, then fine, play the game. If it stinks, Firaxis will be punished by lousy sales figures, and that should be enough, it's a free world and a free market.

Someone please close this thread!

BTW: I totally agree with CASSEMBLER!


Fred

[yin26]

and you are the judge and jury of whether Firaxis is doing a good job or not?

Ah, anybody want to clue him in on the irony there?

Yin = korean gamer stereotype...nuff said.

Ah, anybody want to take this racist dirtbag out back and tell him my nationality?

What effort did you, other than post a few messages on this site indicating things you would like?

LOL! Oh for God sakes! This is a gem. Just how many of these new people showing up are this clueless? I'm beginning to see the problem. Every other poster these days just simply is talking out of his butt: "Hey, since when did Poly even try in some organized way to help Firaxis?"

I don't see any reason educating these people when they breeze in here two years after ignoring this forum and claim to know how we got where we are.

Pathetic.