c189# HAVE A LITTLE FAITH

[cassembler]

There should be a way to post a thread that only kings can post on or something... I would be an exception, of course, because I'm an SPer with sympathy for the MPer.

[yin26]

LOL...I'm not an elitist, and I hate post counts, actually. But some of the ignorance here regarding what POLY has done to help Firaxis get good ideas and feedback is truly disgusting.

[orange]

Originally posted by yin26
Ah, anybody want to clue him in on the irony there?

Guess what pal, you alone are NOT the judge and jury of whether this game was a success or not. You've been *****ing before it came out, and you'll continue to ***** afterwards for the sake of pride. It's the public that decides if the game is good or not, and quite frankly, the majority of posters here have not agreed with you in the past, and it's damn likely they won't agree with you in mid November when they're glued to their screens screaming to the wife "Just one more turn!"

[orange]

...and here's the proof

Yes - the cynics are looking for the most trivial of aspects to ***** about for *****ing's sake! 50 78.12%
No - most complaints are legit beefs against Firaxis and/or changes in the gameplay. 14 21.88%

[yin26]

Guess what pal, you alone are NOT the judge and jury of whether this game was a success or not.

Really? You're a true scholar, Orange.

And you are not the judge, either. Get it?

You've been *****ing before it came out, and you'll continue to ***** afterwards for the sake of pride.

No. I've done quite a bit more helping than complaining, but you don't really care about facts, I suppose. And if anybody's pride is at stake in this thread, it seems to be yours.

the majority of posters here have not agreed with you in the past,

And if they are blind hero worshippers like you who stifle open discussions on what is going well or not, then I wear that claim with a badge of honor.

Fact is, I've personally done more to help Civ 3 than any of your brown-nosing after the fact ever will. And along with my efforts were the efforts of several simply outstanding posters here who truly helped make Civ 3 better.

Culture, ICS-fixes, Resources...on and on all came from HERE...while you were busy thinking up clever ways to tell us to shut up after all the work was done. You're brilliant.

Of course, you'll just load the game and in your ignorance say: "Look. The game is great despite you whiners."

Orange pally: The whiner, the vocal people fighting for a better game, help give you some of the best part of the game.

Talk about arrogant and ungrateful.

[CobraA1]

Ah, anybody want to take this racist dirtbag out back and tell him my nationality?

Sure! I hate racism, stereotyping, and all forms of such.

Read the left hand side of Yin's posts carefully - "From Los Angeles" - Last I heard, L.A. was in the U.S.A. Yin is an American.

It doesn't matter where you're from anyway. We're all the same race - the human race.

[CobraA1]

Yin, do you have any evidence to support your claims that you have helped Civ III any more than anybody else? Otherwise, you should retract your claim.

Same with your claim that we are "blind hero worshippers."

[yin26]

More than Orange? (that was my claim) Go find the two versions of The List sent to Firaxis when the game was still very much up in the air. And I don't care to mention numerous other things.

And as for blind hero worshippers: I didn't say that about you, did I? I said it about orange and anybody who shares his "Sid is God" garbage in order to stifle criticism. However, if you do share that view, then I am saying that about you, too.

[CobraA1]

I should read more carefully.

Hmm . . .

Working in Korea, I've seen the importance of a DMZ as a means both of deterrence and potential diplomatic disaster. Such situations would add great depth to the game. (Yin).

The only quote I see from Yin about borders in the first list.


"Bell" has said more about borders . . .

7.3) "Yin's 3rd Regiment consisting of 2 light-armored tanks, a Stealth bomber, and 4 infantry engaged China's 53rd Elite Patrol Division, consisting of some rock throwers and a random guy with a small caliber handgun. The battle, which took place near Death Valley Ridge, lasted 3 days. Yin's 3rd Regiment lost its bomber when the random guy with a gun got a lucky shot, but the 53rd Elite Patrol is no more. In other news, Yin's Empire forces a heavy trading embargo on the Greeks, rendering the Greek war machine virtually powerless. The stock market continued to fall today at the news that Yin and China seem prepared for war" (yin26).

Oh, yes! An imaginary scenario! The only thing it serves to do is to point out the absurdity of the unit imbalance (gun guy taking out stealth bomber) in earlier games.

Don't see much else in the first list about your "contributions."

Oh, yeah - you wrote the introduction, and you show up on the list of "THREAD MASTERS." Congratualations.

Where's the second list?

I guess you're right - I don't see Orange's name anywhere.

And no, I don't believe Sid is God.

[orange]

Yin...

Fact is, I've personally done more to help Civ 3 than any of your brown-nosing after the fact ever will

Brown noser nothing. What do I or anyone have to gain from brown nosing? Do you think I expect a check from Firaxis, or a free copy of the game? You're getting desparate.

you seem to forget that I too have been here for quite a while. I posted like mad from February until June or so, and gradually migrated to Off-Topic. I came up with some ideas myself, stuff I see in the game today. But I'm not going to 'claim' them or pretend that it's my ideas in this game. It's a collection of APOLYTON'S visions for the game, and even moreso, the Firaxis staff's vision for this game. W as posters have ALL influenced this game, don't dare try to take credit.

I once had a tremendous amount of respect for you as a moderator, as a person, and as a man with some good ideas and a good head on his shoulders. However, for some reason, I come back to Civ III General and here you are, after having lost your job as moderator, and after having turned your back on Civ III and Firaxis BEFORE this MP fiasco ever surfaced acting like a complete idiot. What happened to you?

Seems to me, you've become bitter, because you saw Civ III as you wanted it to be, and it's not going to be the vision you had in mind. And now you're making ridiculous statements that only make you look like a conceited washed up *****. I have respect for Firaxis because they put up with *******s like you, and still keep our community informed. You don't deserve my respect. You don't deserve Firaxis's respect. And you sure as hell don't deserve the respect of anyone on this forum. Not anymore.

[Simpleton]

Originally posted by yin26
LOL! Oh for God sakes! This is a gem. Just how many of these new people showing up are this clueless? I'm beginning to see the problem. Every other poster these days just simply is talking out of his butt: "Hey, since when did Poly even try in some organized way to help Firaxis?"

I don't see any reason educating these people when they breeze in here two years after ignoring this forum and claim to know how we got where we are.

Pathetic.

You make my point perfectly. All the "work" here has been done on this message board not programming or designing the game. It's easy to sit back and say Firaxis should put this or that into Civ3 BUT it's a whole other thing to sit down and program it, balance it, make the AI use it well, and still have it be enjoyable.

Hey I don't dislike you Yin or other negativists I just could do with out the constant negative attitude. I mean I would like to see something said by the Negativists about a part of Civ3 that they like. I mean by your own admission you and other old-timer Apolyteers have contributed much to this game so there must be something you like about it. If there isn't anything you like/will like about Civ3 then why frequent the Civ3 message board? I don't like AOE but I don't go to their message boards and trash the game.

PS: I propose a truce between the "Negativists" and the "Others".

[orange]

doesn't make a difference...

when the game comes out...

We'll be going
While they go

[orange]

I must have missed this...

Originally posted by yin26
Money-driven means this: If the people to whom they are marketing the game passively sit by and say NOTHING when announcements of 8 civs, etc., are made, they conclude that: "If the harcore segment of the market isn't raising a fuss, we have a green light."

Hey man, I was the first guy out there complaining when I heard Eight Civs. But there's a difference between complaining and being an ass. You go above and beyond the latter. Sickening.

[Shiva]

Originally posted by yin26
No. I've done quite a bit more helping than complaining, but you don't really care about facts, I suppose. And if anybody's pride is at stake in this thread, it seems to be yours.

You did once but now all you do is try and tear it down. Yours is the pride that seems to be at stake. Just because Firaxis isnt doing it the way you want you throw a tantrem like a little kid.

Originally posted by yin26
Fact is, I've personally done more to help Civ 3 than any of your brown-nosing after the fact ever will.

Theres that ego everyone loves. You've also done more to wreck the game than him (and just about everyone else) but your too wrapped up in yourself to even see it. Sad.

Originally posted by yin26
Orange pally: The whiner, the vocal people fighting for a better game, help give you some of the best part of the game.

Haha what a load of crap. Now you try and paint yourself as everyones savior. Man you are really out of touch. You showed your true colors when you posted this:

Originally posted by yin26
If this thread keeps just $1 extra from going to Firaxis, I'll be more than happy

Like I said before, its personal with you. Firaxis did something you didnt like and your going to do whatever you can to hurt them. Your so mad you cant even see what your acting like. Bleeding soul becomes a bitter mind dude, you need to fix yours.

[yin26]

I have said publically many many times that the List contained almost NO ideas of my own. If you had been around, you'd know that well. But the List likely never would have been made without me and a few key people.

Sorry. That's just the facts. Deny them if you will.

Take that for what you will. The damn thing was tabbed and passed around the Firaxis office before some of the people around here even knew Firaxis was making the game.

Me as savior? Hardly. Me as somebody who damn-well has earned the right to complain loudly when Firaxis repeatedly dodges an important question, leaks out information but won't confirm it, etc.? Damn straight.

And this is a forum. If you don't like my posts. Pack your bags 'cause I ain't going away until *I* feel like it. In fact, a$$-kissing articles like Orangie's here will KEEP me here. Consider that.

Finally, Orange: Are YOU taking credit for 16 civs? What...not enough faith in Our Lord and Father Sid? How sick. (...hmmm, starting to see the point yet?...). Your big mistake was to mention my thread, which is a legitimate comment against a legimitate PR mistake, with another thread that used bad language and was simply rude in a personal way toward particular people at Firaxis.

My thread was directed toward the company in general. And a great number of people have similar feelings that Firaxis blew it on that one. And, yes, as a result I stand by my statement that if Firaxis loses some money for such a purposefuly mishandling of PR, then:

I will be happy. Why? 'Cause maybe they'll think to do better next time. Crazy thought, eh?