c189# HAVE A LITTLE FAITH

[CobraA1]

It seems that a lot of people (including high-and-almighty Yin) may not have read the FAQ answer closely. Here are a couple of points:

However, we're working on some cool multiplayer concepts that will take a fresh approach to the challenge of making multiplayer for a turn-based game fun.

They're working on new concepts, possibly ideas from their fans?

Once we have more details to report, they'll be posted on this FAQ.

The reason why they don't give any details is because they can't give any details because they're not completely sure themselves!

Note that this is a promise to release information when available. Also note the "once we have more details to report" clause, which indicates that they don't have all of the details yet.

The Apolyton board may itself be to blame . . . you guys came up with good ideas, and now the programmers at Firaxis may be working on implementation. You're complaining about something you may well have started .

[orange]

Originally posted by cyclotron7
Orange, this is by far the worst column I have ever read.

How old is it to mock people who are just expressing their point of view?

Nope. No mocking. Just anger that people are defaming Apolyton by being rude, arrogant, smug little *******s.

I am so sick of the numerous posts saying "stop arguing" and "how dare you be so pessimistic."

Me too, too bad we have to have those types of threads...eh?

Just when I thought people were getting the message that it doesn't matter what people like you think, here comes this column that is more full of uppity complaining than most of the "anti-civ" posts that I have seen.

Just when I thought people were getting the message that it doesn't matter what people like you think, here comes this post which is more full of whiney *****ing than anything Yin has posted. Whine all you want, I'm entitled to my opinion, and I'll speak it if I want to. Why not write a column yourself

People can complain whenever they want to, and you are just a hypocritical whiner if you flame them just because they have a complaint.

Sure can. I've got no problem with complaints. Hell, I do it myself. I'm upset about Iroquois being in over Spanish, as numerous threads have shown. I was upset when someone said "only 8 civs in the game" and I complained when the biggest map size was not much bigger than the Civ II maps. But again I'd like to think I did it tastefully. And if I didn't do it with respect, I apologize to Firaxis for pretending to know something I have no knowledge of.

Your column is a ****ing joke

No. This guy walks into a bar and says "ouch". That's a joke.

and serves no purpose other than to start this flaming war that was probably the aim of your column anyway.

Nah, actually I just started writing, realized that people submit stuff like this all the time, and sent it to Markos. In all actuality, I didn't think there'd be a thread on it, or if it would even be posted.

Congrats, orange, you've lost all of my respect.

no loss, I'm sure.

Go b*tch somewhere else.

no thanks. I like it just fine right here

[Cyclotron]

Orange, I don't write a column because I'm not in any particular hurry to make a fool out of myself. I am just telling you what I think of your column and your complaining; it is a post adressed only to you. You don't need my permission to post what ever the heck you want - I'm just informing you that IMO you're just a complaining *****. And that's my take, like it or not.

Have a nice day.

[Cyclotron]

Oh, gimme a break! "pr!ck" shouldn't be censored. I'ts a legitimate verb AND a legitimate noun!

[orange]

and I have given you mine...

I'm just informing you that IMO you're just a complaining *****.

according to a recent poll, more than 3/4s of the people on this board feel that all the *****ing and moaning about Civ III isn't even legit. It's all about finding something to hate.

And from the results of this thread and some PMs, E-mails, AIMs, and ICQs I've recieved, you're opinion is in the clear cut minority.

Have a nice day.

Likewise

[Cyclotron]

Well then, I assert that 3/4 of the people in this forum are also IMO complaining pr!cks. That doesn't make you any more right.

Minority or not, the fact is that your column and subsequent columns won't effect any kind of change. If the people that complain are voicing legit complaints, they won't take anything you've said with a grain of salt. And if they really are all just haters, then they will continue to hate despite whatever you say. So all 3/4 of Apolyton can continue to decieve themselves if they like, that's their own problem. Really, it's all much ado about nothing.

And I stick to my opinion: Worst Column Ever.

Not that anything I could write would be better...

[orange]

Originally posted by cyclotron7
Well then, I assert that 3/4 of the people in this forum are also IMO complaining pr!cks. That doesn't make you any more right.

You're going to fit in here juuuuuuusssssst fine

Minority or not, the fact is that your column and subsequent columns won't effect any kind of change.

Fact eh? Can you prove it?

If the people that complain are voicing legit complaints, they won't take anything you've said with a grain of salt.

(I assume you mean they will take it with a grain of salt.)

voicing legitimate complaints does not = whining and moaning and making rude statements.

And if they really are all just haters, then they will continue to hate despite whatever you say.

This I'll agree with.

So all 3/4 of Apolyton can continue to decieve themselves if they like, that's their own problem. Really, it's all much ado about nothing.

So why do you bother posting?

And I stick to my opinion: Worst Column Ever.

Think whatever you want. I really don't care what you think.

Not that anything I could write would be better...

at least you have a sense of humour

[Crouchback]

Originally posted by CobraA1
It seems that a lot of people (including high-and-almighty Yin) may not have read the FAQ answer closely.

The reason why they don't give any details is because they can't give any details because they're not completely sure themselves!

Note that this is a promise to release information when available. Also note the "once we have more details to report" clause, which indicates that they don't have all of the details yet.

Firaxis could end most of the flame war by making a simple commitment to make MP a free download.The FAQ's blatant side stepping of the issues isn't a good thing. Dan has done a fantastic job keeping us interested and excited with what little he has at his disposal, but this is a PR fiasco for the company because they are too concerned to maintain the illusion of mystery. We're reasonable people, but it is our hard earned cash they want which could go to any number of game publishers this holiday.

[Shiva]

Originally posted by cyclotron7
Well then, I assert that 3/4 of the people in this forum are also IMO complaining pr!cks.

When in doubt flame everyone ehh? Nice thing to do when you dont know their resons for it.

Originally posted by cyclotron7
So all 3/4 of Apolyton can continue to decieve themselves if they like, that's their own problem. Really, it's all much ado about nothing.

It must be nice to be one of the chosen few who are right ehh?

Its one thing for people to complain if they have a legit reason. It a whole other thing to turn it into a jihad because of personal reasons. If someone has doubts about the game then DO NOT BUY IT. Wait till you know enough for you to buy it. But running around screaming out how bad the game is going to be is pure stupidity when no one has even played it yet. Griping about Firaxis not having MP in the game without knowing why they didnt have it in there is useless. Its not there, get over it, move on. True it looks like Firaxis mishandled the whole thing but then again without knowing what was going on behind the closed doors you'd know as much if you'd read tea leafs.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by orange
You're going to fit in here juuuuuuusssssst fine

Don't I know it! I spend more time arguing on this site than arguing elsewhere...

Fact eh? Can you prove it?

Wait and see. Nothing will change.

(I assume you mean they will take it with a grain of salt.)

No, I don't mean that. Listen Orange, it's pretty simple. Observe:

People with legitimate complaints: These people will observe that your column is just out to flame them and will ignore it, continuing to post legitimate complaints.

People who just want to hate: These people are convinced that they really do have a legitimate complaint, so they will behave as people with legitimate complaints.

So why do you bother posting?

Good question.

Think whatever you want. I really don't care what you think.

That's too bad. It's hard to have a good argument when you aren't in the lest bit receptive to the ideas of others. Oh well...

at least you have a sense of humour

Nice of you to recognize that.

[orange]

Wait and see. Nothing will change.

It already has. I've caused people to think. That's the best I could hope for.

People with legitimate complaints: These people will observe that your column is just out to flame them and will ignore it, continuing to post legitimate complaints.

Hopefully they'd know that I am 'flaming' the people who go about complaining in the wrong way. The overall rudeness lately paints a horrible picture of the Apolyton public.

That's too bad. It's hard to have a good argument when you aren't in the lest bit receptive to the ideas of others. Oh well...

Hardly. You know as well as I do that what I said was in response to you saying "Worst Article Ever"

[Cyclotron]

Shiva, put a sock in it. Observe that that comment was based on orange's comments on the poll.

Oh yes, it is delightful to be one of the chosen few who is right. You should try it sometime...

[Shiva]

Originally posted by cyclotron7
Shiva, put a sock in it. Observe that that comment was based on orange's comments on the poll.

And that makes the polls any less valid? And makes calling them a name right ehh?

[Cyclotron]

Hopefully they'd know that I am 'flaming' the people who go about complaining in the wrong way. The overall rudeness lately paints a horrible picture of the Apolyton public.

That's just the point. People who are just haters THINK they are really people with valid complaints, so they say to themselves "either orange is just a complainer, or he isn't adressing his complaint to me" and they keep on posting.

I couldn't care less about how the Apolyton public is portrayed. Are you really doing this because you are concerned that the "image" of this particular Civ3 forum is at stake? That seems like an awfully trivial reason to do anything...

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Shiva
And that makes the polls any less valid? And makes calling them a name right ehh?

The polls aren't invalid; the people's opinions are.

Actually, I'll call them whatever I want. People who think that everyone who complains here is a hater really are ignorant ******. And that is right.