No FREE MP = CANCEL your orders / DON'T buy Civ3

[SITS]

I've just gone through all of this thread and I must admit some of the SP's got my goat and several of my pigs with their attitude.

I agree with a lot of points that yin has made and not only that I'm impressed by the way he has made them. If yin was simply trolling then he would post a few inflammatory remarks and watch the fireworks whereas in this thread he has been consistent in his views not only in this thread but others I've seen over the last few months. That isn't being a troll.

Firaxis said there would be a revolutionary MP. That isn't going to happen on release. These things happen. But the thing that gets me is that there has been no official confirmation about MP from Firaxis, no posting from Dan, no information on the website. That is an insult to the customers. If you go through the threads you will see how many times people have asked about MP. No response.

I promise you every single review of Civ3 will mention there is no MP and criticise the game because of that. People talk about Civ2 not having MP when it was released as if that proves their point. How many people have internet connections now compared to then? What percentage of games now have MP as an integral part of them compared to games then? The year is 2001 much different from when Civ2 was released.

But don't worry because we will be able to BUY MP sometime next year. Great! A game in two parts, more profit for the company, less value for the customer. Isn't that a wonderful concept?

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Palpatine
Hmm I can't understand why some of you attack yin. He gave us his opinion and he has every right to do so.

Palpi

An opinion is one thing. A steady drum beat of trolling is another. The guy was the man incharge of the "idea List" and feels that firaxis owes him something (its gotten personal for him). Since hes not getting what he thinks he's due he starts topics like this (and hes started quite a few of them) and wants to get them to pay attention to him. Push him on stuff like some of the people in this thread did and he gets angry cause he's bitter and arrogant. If you dont agree with him your wrong, you point out facts like most people who'll play civ3 will never set foot in here or play MP and he starts acting childish. Of couse if your not a forum whore your opinion is worthless. Got to love elitists cause they always know better than the unwashed masses.

[FuFu15]

I S O

[Moral Hazard]

Damn Why are Yin's thread so fscking popular? I try to right interesting threads which aren't melodromatic, and they sink like a rock. BASTARD!

[yin26]

An opinion is one thing. A steady drum beat of trolling is another.

Still don't get why this was posted now, do you? You purposely like to stay misinformed?

The guy was the man incharge of the "idea List" and feels that firaxis owes him something (its gotten personal for him).

I am one of many such people who think that devoting a great deal of spare time to help a company make a great game should be met with more than deliberate silence on important issues.

Since hes not getting what he thinks he's due he starts topics like this (and hes started quite a few of them) and wants to get them to pay attention to him.

And I'll start more if I feel it necessary. And I could care less if Firaxis pays attention to ME. This is about the fans in general, even you.

Push him on stuff like some of the people in this thread did and he gets angry cause he's bitter and arrogant.

"Pushing" What a joke. Trolling you mean?

If you dont agree with him your wrong, you point out facts like most people who'll play civ3 will never set foot in here or play MP and he starts acting childish.

I still say you should buy a note pad.

Of couse if your not a forum whore your opinion is worthless.

Opinions from an uninformed troll might not be worthless, but close.

Got to love elitists cause they always know better than the unwashed masses.

Hey, if you admit that you don't know what you are talking about, then we agree.

[yin26]

Damn Why are Yin's thread so fscking popular? I try to right interesting threads which aren't melodromatic, and they sink like a rock. BASTARD!

LOL! One word: "Mojo"

[Shiva]

Originally posted by yin26

Hey, if you admit that you don't know what you are talking about, then we agree.

Forgot to add childish.

[yin26]

Yes. 'Childish' is a stunning retort. Run out of actual arguments?

[Shiva]

Originally posted by yin26
Yes. 'Childish' is a stunning retort. Run out of actual arguments?

Me thinks that already happend to you when you cried out "notepad" there bud

[yin26]

You thinks? That's nice. Let me explain for you then.

Notepad = You are writing about a number of things that you clearly don't understand. For example precisely what I am arguing for and why. You mis-represent it. You troll it. You also claim that bad PR won't make any difference in sales. Part of that bad PR from my point of view is how the MP issue was handled. When the official reviews come and it becomes clear that this actually IS HURTING sales, I want you to take out your notepad, write this moment down, and refer to it in the future to keep you from making similar silly posts.

Then again, continue on as you are. Please try to say something worth replying to, however, for your last few tries have been decidely dull and nearly brain dead. Thanks.

[Jeje2]

Originally posted by drake
...They like the "win everytime" comfort that comes with SP games. Can't convince them otherwise, so just let it go......

Well, I for one only play SP, but I do consider that a gamecompany should today publish also MP. (And when they did it on SMAC why not on Civ3?)

I am one of those who only likes to win and thus I was alreeady planning a MP game against Yin But now I cann't play MP?!?

[yin26]

By the way, Shiva...rest assured that I do consider you a forum whore. Congratulations on the title.

[yin26]

Jeje: Let's play international hotseat. You fly out here a couple times, make a move. I fly out there a couple times, make a move. Should only take about 80 years and close to a million dollars.

[Shiva]

Originally posted by yin26
You thinks? That's nice. Let me explain for you then.

Notepad = You are writing about a number of things that you clearly don't understand. For example precisely what I am arguing for and why. You mis-represent it. You troll it. You also claim that bad PR won't make any difference in sales. Part of that bad PR from my point of view is how the MP issue was handled. When the official reviews come and it becomes clear that this actually IS HURTING sales, I want you to take out your notepad, write this moment down, and refer to it in the future to keep you from making similar silly posts.

Then again, continue on as you are. Please try to say something worth replying to, however, for you last few tries have been decidely dull and nearly brain dead. Thanks.

God you just dont understand that that the lack of MP will not affect the overall numbers of sales that much. You think it will make the sales less than stellar? Hey thats ok, some people think the worlds flat too.

And what "bad PR"??? Because they wont talk about whats going on behind thier door and they are being tight lipped? Please get a clue. You must not have been around much over the past 15 years of game software.

You really think that the game mags are going to give bad reviews because of that. Not a chance. Hell I'll be suprised if any of the bigger gaming mags give it below a 87 if its bad. They at least used to stick it to games when they we're bad but they dont anymore. It takes an act of god to do that.

This game will sell big. In the same range as Diablo 2 worldwide. It has a name and a legacy to carry whatever small flaws it will have. Sorry its just a fact of life. You can sit in here all you want tilting at windmills all you want but your still just a big fish in a small pond. In the overall picture this place isnt going to effect much at all.

So please take that and write it down for yourself. Maybe some day you'll end up seeing what goes on behind the sceens of a game release and then you'll understand because you sure as hell dont now. So please just quit with the attitude that your holier than everyone. It wears thin.

[Alexander's Horse]

Sunday driver

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

I've played Civ since 1991, and have yet to play one single game of MP.

That's like buying a car and only driving it from the garage to your front gate and back every Sunday