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  • #121
    Re: Re: Re: Well...

    Originally posted by Ozymandous


    Without knowing all the facts? Facts are gathered from the posts people make when they say "Civ3 will be the best game ever", "I don't care what may be missing I have pre-ordered Civ3 simply because Sid made it", etc.

    These are the people I call lemmings, the people who blindly trust a brand name regardless of finding out the facts of the case.

    Everyone is a lemming and/or sheep at one point or another, that's how life is.
    You miss the point. If they buy something then they have crossed whatever threshold of information and fact they needed.
    Just because it doesnt match your own does not make any less valid. It most certainly doesnt warrant calling them sheep. Just because someone trusts Firaxis doesnt make it blind trust. I trust them. They havnt done anything to really torque me off. When they do I'll add them to EA and Sierra. Its still a matter of thresholds of the people. I dont call people who love games from Sierra "sheep".


    Originally posted by Ozymandous

    Regarding the "doom sayer" comment, show me where once I said the game was going to suck as a statement of fact. You won't find one place where I said that. My general feelings are as follows (for the X number of times!):
    The doomsayer comment wasnt aimed at you. Looking back it I should have made that clear or just replied to AH. Sorry about that. That was general opinion on people like Yin and spamcanman (AH since he was the first to toss the sheep in this thread) and others like them that seem to be found in every board. But the point again was that "sheep" comments are baseless and tossed anytime they meet resistance and are always painting with the broad brush.
    The eagle soars and flies in peace and casts its shadow wide Across the land, across the seas, across the far-flung skies. The foolish think the eagle weak, and easy to bring to heel. The eagle's wings are silken, but its claws are made of steel. So be warned, you would-be hunters, attack it and you die, For the eagle stands for freedom, and that will always fly.

    Darkness makes the sunlight so bright that our eyes blur with tears. Challenges remind us that we are capable of great things. Misery sharpens the edges of our joy. Life is hard. It is supposed to be.

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    • #122
      Originally posted by bogi
      I thought CTP1 and CTP2 were great games. Its just that hardcore civers couldnt accept it because sids name wasnt on it.
      Ummm I couldnt accept it because it sucked for me. I also hate cheese on my hamburger, doesnt make me a hardcore hamburger lover.
      The eagle soars and flies in peace and casts its shadow wide Across the land, across the seas, across the far-flung skies. The foolish think the eagle weak, and easy to bring to heel. The eagle's wings are silken, but its claws are made of steel. So be warned, you would-be hunters, attack it and you die, For the eagle stands for freedom, and that will always fly.

      Darkness makes the sunlight so bright that our eyes blur with tears. Challenges remind us that we are capable of great things. Misery sharpens the edges of our joy. Life is hard. It is supposed to be.

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      • #123
        Originally posted by SmartFart


        Sure you don't. I also hate games where I have to use my imaginations,intelligence,math,foreign languages,social interactions,my ability to learn,when I have to make new friends all over the globe and such a boring and idiotic concept in total.

        SF
        And because he doesnt care about MP you equate that with the rest of your silly statement?

        Some people really make you wonder.
        The eagle soars and flies in peace and casts its shadow wide Across the land, across the seas, across the far-flung skies. The foolish think the eagle weak, and easy to bring to heel. The eagle's wings are silken, but its claws are made of steel. So be warned, you would-be hunters, attack it and you die, For the eagle stands for freedom, and that will always fly.

        Darkness makes the sunlight so bright that our eyes blur with tears. Challenges remind us that we are capable of great things. Misery sharpens the edges of our joy. Life is hard. It is supposed to be.

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        • #124
          Originally posted by Pembleton

          (Regarding Blizzard)
          Really? Which game was this? I didn't know they did this. I have bought all of their games except for Diablo 1, and I hardly ever played Starcraft, so I didn't get the expansion for that one.
          Diablo 2. Original game, June-July 2000, Expansion pack July 2001, Gold pack September-October 2001 (with original Diablo1 included).

          Diablo 2 = $50
          Expansion pack = $40

          Gold pack = $50

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          • #125
            Re: Re: Re: Re: Well...

            Originally posted by Shiva


            You miss the point. If they buy something then they have crossed whatever threshold of information and fact they needed.
            Just because it doesnt match your own does not make any less valid. It most certainly doesnt warrant calling them sheep. Just because someone trusts Firaxis doesnt make it blind trust. I trust them. They havnt done anything to really torque me off. When they do I'll add them to EA and Sierra. Its still a matter of thresholds of the people. I dont call people who love games from Sierra "sheep".
            Heh, call me pessimistic and I'll agree with you. Seems that too many games are released half-complete and full of bugs. Ranting helps pass the time until patches come out anyway...


            The doomsayer comment wasnt aimed at you. Looking back it I should have made that clear or just replied to AH. Sorry about that. That was general opinion on people like Yin and spamcanman (AH since he was the first to toss the sheep in this thread) and others like them that seem to be found in every board. But the point again was that "sheep" comments are baseless and tossed anytime they meet resistance and are always painting with the broad brush.
            Heh, that sheep thing really stuck with you, eh? Even if, as you said to me, it wasn't aimed at those who don't buy the game as soon as it hits the stores?

            Aww, come on, you know I was just kidding right? Right? Anywho this debate has been fun, bvut it's 5 o'clock and time to go. At least I got to warlord status from this thread..

            *whistles as he walks out the door*

            No hard feelings. Oh, and buy the way, I have been a sheep and buying a game just becuase of who makes it only to have it turn into a coaster many times myself. I just don't like to see others have to deal with that, maybe all the pessimistic talk will spur some non-fanatic thoughts either way (doubt it, but fun to do).

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            • #126
              CtG: It couldn't be that way because yin is still pissed that all of the work the "he" did on the List didn't turn Civ3 into a "revolutionary" game and thus, he missed his chance at it becoming Sid Meier's and Yin26's Civilization III.

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              • #127
                Originally posted by Shiva


                And because he doesnt care about MP you equate that with the rest of your silly statement?

                Some people really make you wonder.
                You're his lawyer or Firaxis employee? Or both?

                And because I don't like SP you equate that with your idiotic remarks?

                What's your point anyway?
                My life, my rules

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                • #128
                  Ozy: In my case, at least, it's not about blind loyalty. I couldn't less about that. Simply put, I love Civ2 so maybe I'll love Civ3 as well. Unlike yin, whose past efforts made him believe that Firaxis owes him a revolutionary game, I really don't care if I get Civ3 or not. Sure I would love to play it but if not, there are games to play and things to do.

                  But even with that attitude, that shouldn't stop anyone from offering suggestions, fixes, ideas, etc. For example, I hope they implement my idea of randomizing civ attributes. If they do, fine, if not, that's fine too. Just know that we are fans, no more or less important than any other customers from the company's perspective.

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                  • #129
                    If one wants to socialize, one goes to the pub. Civ is all about locking oneself in.

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                    • #130
                      Originally posted by Osweld
                      I'll buy it just to tick yin off.
                      Here here!

                      (I just play SP anyway. I like to play games over several days and when I want to. Multiplayer civ sort of fits insomniacs or school kids, but not me)

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                      • #131
                        Originally posted by SmartFart

                        What's your point anyway?
                        The point is your statement you made based on him not likeing caring about MP you makeout that he doesnt like those things also is stupid. Really comes off sounding childish.
                        The eagle soars and flies in peace and casts its shadow wide Across the land, across the seas, across the far-flung skies. The foolish think the eagle weak, and easy to bring to heel. The eagle's wings are silken, but its claws are made of steel. So be warned, you would-be hunters, attack it and you die, For the eagle stands for freedom, and that will always fly.

                        Darkness makes the sunlight so bright that our eyes blur with tears. Challenges remind us that we are capable of great things. Misery sharpens the edges of our joy. Life is hard. It is supposed to be.

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                        • #132
                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Well...

                          Originally posted by Ozymandous

                          Heh, that sheep thing really stuck with you, eh? Even if, as you said to me, it wasn't aimed at those who don't buy the game as soon as it hits the stores?
                          Naaa its just one of the terms I see tossed around too much and it just rubs me the wrong way.
                          The eagle soars and flies in peace and casts its shadow wide Across the land, across the seas, across the far-flung skies. The foolish think the eagle weak, and easy to bring to heel. The eagle's wings are silken, but its claws are made of steel. So be warned, you would-be hunters, attack it and you die, For the eagle stands for freedom, and that will always fly.

                          Darkness makes the sunlight so bright that our eyes blur with tears. Challenges remind us that we are capable of great things. Misery sharpens the edges of our joy. Life is hard. It is supposed to be.

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                          • #133
                            Originally posted by Jingo
                            for all you people who say "im not buying civ3 without mp", i know your lying.

                            you know your obsessed. if you're on apolyton debating this fact, you have to love civ.

                            you dont just hear about a game and spend 3 months or more talking about it and researching it only to not buy it.

                            firaxis got you good, now bend over and pay.
                            Wow, UberKrux, you're as bad as Provost H. . . . candid and make no bones about it.

                            The funny thing is, you're probably right. I started a thread quite a while ago "You'll Buy It, And You Know It" because I was sick of all the whining about the game, when I knew those who were whining about it were going to be the first ones to buy the game. But I have to say, that was all before the MP issue. You're probably still right, though.

                            As for me and my house, however, I'm waiting for Hotseat.

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                            • #134
                              For those of you trying to make sense of this thread:

                              -It started as an attack on Firaxis' misleading advertising of Multiplayer.

                              -Due to a combination of sensationalism, misdirection and misinterpretation, many have thought this was an attack on the actual game itself instead of the advertising of the game.

                              -Once the first shot was fired... well, the mud just flies.


                              And to those who claim that the game can't be resisted, I have never bought Civ, but picked up Civnet. I never bought CivII, but picked up the gold edition. I intend to repeat the same course of action for CivIII. So yes, it can be done.
                              Student: You can't give us this test, I don't understand anything!
                              Teacher: What would be the point of giving you a test if you understood?

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                              • #135
                                It tickles me so...
                                So many people's lives wrecked, tattered, ruined because of no MP... for a video game...


                                sob

                                poor multiplayers...
                                "You don't have to be modest if you know you're right."- L. Rigdon

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