No FREE MP = CANCEL your orders / DON'T buy Civ3

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Ozymandous

Will it mean that Civ3 would have been/done better if they had taken some chances?

MAybe ,maybe not, no one but that annoying late night tv lady Cleo would know. The worlds full of coulda woulda shouldas.

Originally posted by Ozymandous
Oh, and how about C&C, Red Alert, etc, all the games that kept the same previously successful idea and either did worse or not as well as their competitors?

I really dont know anything about RTS click fest games. AI's have a hard enough time in a turn based game. I've lost interest in RTS after Warcraft2 and Harpoon2. AI's cant think on their own and until they do theres just not alot of fun when things cant react (like something alive would).

Originally posted by Ozymandous
Innovation is not a bad thing, game companies just need to find the thin line between truly upgrading their ideas and changing the foundation of the game so that all those who are afraid to change will not even try it.

"Ahh, new idea, run away, run away!"

Innovation isnt bad but if you go for too much then you run the risk of something like Sierra's football game that had to be recalled from the shelves. Also there are points when a game system should be left alone for quite a while before we see a sequel every year or so with just a little more added to it. You are right, "game companies" need to find the line. For the rest of us its just coulda woulda shoulda

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Ozymandous
Heh, last words for now (this thread exploded then fizzled, heh).

5) Shiva, "Nebraska, where the men are men and the cows are..." heh.

So... Anyone have any other good TBS games that do have MP? My girlfriend and I play together over LAN sometimes (have to love those Linksys router/switch combo's!) and are looking for a good game to play together.

Ideas? Suggestions?

Bahhh "Nebraska, where theres beer, women and nothing else to do" God how I miss Seattles night life.

Imperialism II is good one. If your girlfriend doesnt mind wargames theres Steelpanthers World at War (big download but free).

[dennis580]

Screw MP I am extremely happy that Firaxis didn't waste time and resources on MP and instead focus on making the best SP game ever. Which is what MOST of us want.

Face it Yin you are in a VERY tiny minority. Neither Firaxis, I, nor most Civ fans care about what you think. You have done nothing but try to sabotoge Civ III and Firaxis for the last 8 or 9 months.

[Mister Pleasant]

Screw MP I am extremely happy that Firaxis didn't waste time and resources on MP and instead focus on making the best SP game ever. Which is what MOST of us want.

Face it Yin you are in a VERY tiny minority. Neither Firaxis, I, nor most Civ fans care about what you think. You have done nothing but try to sabotoge Civ III and Firaxis for the last 8 or 9 months.

The difference between a shill and a chump is that a shill gets paid to write these sorts of praises. So Dennis580, are YOU on the Firaxis payroll?

[Mars]

So what they lied that's capitalism. U don't like it tough. Personally i love capitalism so what if you get cheated along the way its better that oh were the great generous game company and we'll do everythings our fans say. Personally i'd be disapointed acted like that. It means their not a strong company. They should swindle the consumer as much as they can. Personally i think the game is kind of cheap for what it entailing. and i'll pay every penny, for every extra, why because i'm a fan and you obvisouly arent

come on, stop living in your fantasy world where everythiing and everybody always does the right thing and never takes advantage of a situation.

[CapTVK]

Originally posted by Mars
So what they lied that's capitalism. U don't like it tough. Personally i love capitalism so what if you get cheated along the way its better that oh were the great generous game company and we'll do everythings our fans say. Personally i'd be disapointed acted like that. It means their not a strong company. They should swindle the consumer as much as they can. Personally i think the game is kind of cheap for what it entailing. and i'll pay every penny, for every extra, why because i'm a fan and you obvisouly arent

come on, stop living in your fantasy world where everythiing and everybody always does the right thing and never takes advantage of a situation.

I guess Freeciv is not your type of game then.

[Mars]

I guess Freeciv is not your type of game then.

Nah, a try capitalist knows when to exploit a good sitaution

[SITS]

Originally posted by Snapcase


"Turn Done. Handing over to MOBIUS."

(SMAC had really bad scenario-making facilities, that's why there is next-to-no community for it. I myself gave up after those three or four maps.)

I accept that kind of comment is common in the MP threads but there is much more there as well. What strikes me about the threads I'm involved in is the sense of community each game seems to have.

[SITS]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


The only people who feel this way are the MP people or people who seem to have expected EVERYTHING they want be implemented. Many, many people who are not MP players have spent just as much time giving ideas, and they are excited about the product coming out. You can't speak for everyone here.

I don't expect EVERYTHING I want to be implemented. Some of it would be nice and certainly what they said will be implemented would be nicer.

I don't speak for everyone and I certainly don't try to stop others from speaking either. I've never advocated that SP shouldn't be included unlike some of the nastier SP's.

And again, it's Firaxis's game, not anyone elses. They don't have an obligation to implement ANY suggestions, but they have implemented MANY. Making blanket statements that they "blew aside" the Civ fans is false.

Firaxis don't have an obligation to implement mine or other mere customers suggestions. They do have an obligation to tell the truth, to be honest about their product. If they say MP will be in it then they should follow though on that. If something comes up that stops them from including it then they say so. They haven't.

They NOW say that SP has been their focus thoughout - didn't seem to mention that when lots of people were pre-ordering did they?

I see nothing that shows they've done this. They vast majority of die hard Civ fans are not MP players.

It's funny how you harp on how ungrateful and Firaxis is toward the fans. I see the opposite, ungrateful people ripping on Firaxis. The mere fact that Dan is here so much and does answer so many questions is far more than I ever would have expected. Certainly more than other game companies do.



In no way does your length of time here in any way make your opinion or feelings more valid than theirs. By this logic, I can say that since I've played Civ since the original first came out, my opinion is more valid than people who started with Civ II. This is not true and utterly pointless to bring up.

Cheers.

I disagree that the vast majority of DIE HARD fans are SP. I agree that the vast majority of Civ customers are SP but the gamers that play it longer and harder will be the MP's for once you've beaten the AI what challenge is there except to play against someone else?

Firaxis should have been honest, they haven't been. That is treating their customers badly.

Its great that Dan is here. I even asked him to make a change to the website and he did it within 10 minutes. Great! But when people asked him about MP what do you think the answer was?

Look, it comes down to doing what you said you were going to do. If you can't then you say why. If Firaxis had said last month, 'Sorry chaps, we can't do MP in time but we will have it released in March next year as part of an expansion pack with lots of other goodies' then I wouldn't be happy but I wouldn't be *****ing about Firaxis being dishonest.

Do you see my point?

[ChrisShaffer]

You know, I might as well open my checkbook, sign a couple or three checks, and hand them to Firaxis. I care a lot about multiplayer. I really hope they do something new with multiplayer.

However, I don't think that Firaxis has committed a gross breach of my trust. They withdrew an advertised feature several weeks before the shipping date. There's plenty of time for people to cancel their orders. That's fine with me. I would have been upset if they hadn't told us prior to ship date.

At any rate, even though I am looking forward to multiplayer and will miss it sorely if it isn't included, I will buy the game for single player and happily send Firaxis more money for patches or multiplayer or whatever comes along. If there's no multiplayer, I'll be disappointed, but I'll still thoroughly enjoy the game. Does this make me a sheep? No. I know what I'm getting for my $, and I have made an informed decision to spend the money.

[SorvinoBackhand]

Billy Joel

Originally posted by drake
Yeah, what neuronix said

I'll look for civ 3 in the bargain bin

"but if I go cold, I won't get sold,
I get put in the back in the discount rack
Like another can of beans"

Kudos to whoever can identify where that line came from.

[yin26]

I wouldn't be happy but I wouldn't be *****ing about Firaxis being dishonest.

Precisely. And yet, the bending over continues...

[tniem]

Originally posted by SITS
Look, it comes down to doing what you said you were going to do. If you can't then you say why. If Firaxis had said last month, 'Sorry chaps, we can't do MP in time but we will have it released in March next year as part of an expansion pack with lots of other goodies' then I wouldn't be happy but I wouldn't be *****ing about Firaxis being dishonest.

Excellent post SITS!