No FREE MP = CANCEL your orders / DON'T buy Civ3

[Ozymandous]

Some people just don't get it...

Originally posted by cassembler
It tickles me so...
So many people's lives wrecked, tattered, ruined because of no MP... for a video game...


sob

poor multiplayers...

Heh, to reply to one post by using someone else's post...

Reply is as follows:

Originally posted by Takeshi
For those of you trying to make sense of this thread:

-It started as an attack on Firaxis' misleading advertising of Multiplayer.

-Due to a combination of sensationalism, misdirection and misinterpretation, many have thought this was an attack on the actual game itself instead of the advertising of the game.

-Once the first shot was fired... well, the mud just flies.

See it's not hard to really read what's said, the original post was a complain about the advertising Firaxis did.

Next time try to follow along.

[Ozymandous]

Originally posted by Shiva


You can say that about simcity, Railroad tycoon, Quake, Airwarrior,warcraft, and so on and so on. Its the way of the market. Why did Civ 2 do so well? Because it was evolutionary not revolutionary. There isnt a need to start from scratch or adding so much that you lose the foundation of the game. If someone here feels slighted or their feelings got hurt thats life.

They have to make choices that are driven by money. Im sure they would have loved to add a bunch of other stuff too but because of time and cash they couldnt. Thats the way it goes it happens all the time with games. Just because a fan puts in a bunch of suggestions the company owes him? Maybe having your name in the manual or something but it doesnt mean they will do something to effect the bottom line. They have a job to do, they are the ones who decide what is done, and they are the ones who are on the firing line when the game sinks or swims. Not some fans with brused egos and no idea whats going on behind the doors. Right to be pissed off indeed

One question about this statement...

What happens if MOO3 is released and sells huge masses of copies more than Civ3 because it IS revolutionary yet founded in the same basic principles as the earlier games?

Will it mean that Civ3 would have been/done better if they had taken some chances?

My gut feeling is that MOO3 will escalate TBS games to the next level and everyone will be running to catch up. Now then, we will not know how any of this plays out for 6 months to a year, but should be interesting to see.

Oh, and how about C&C, Red Alert, etc, all the games that kept the same previously successful idea and either did worse or not as well as their competitors?

Innovation is not a bad thing, game companies just need to find the thin line between truly upgrading their ideas and changing the foundation of the game so that all those who are afraid to change will not even try it.

"Ahh, new idea, run away, run away!"

[Ozymandous]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

I don't think Firaxis behaved badly. They held off making an announcement because they didn't know what they would be able to do.

Umm, so why haven't they said anything officially on MP yet? The game is gold, how much more can they do to the version that people will BUY in the stores?

Answer: Nothing.

So why have they still not released a public announcement on it at Civ3.com?

Maybe because people will assume it has MP in some way, shape or form and buy it anyway. I hope not because then folks will likely be disappointed.

Oh well, such is life.

[Ozymandous]

Originally posted by CYBERAmazon
Yin26, et al.:

If Firaxis charges $59 for SP and people snap it up, fine. If they then want another $10 to $20 to put out an MP part later, I'm sure the folks who *want* MP will get it. Those of us who like SP only will stick with that.

Everyone wins. SP folks get what they want, and the MP folks get their high, too.

CYBERAmazon

So why should the MP people have to pay more? Answer me that.

[Ozymandous]

Originally posted by BigBopper
sorry, no time to read all the posts, so I may be repeating something.


FOOLS! HERITICS!, how dare you question the wisdom of the SID! I will sacrifice a cat at my alter to Firaxis that they may stay thier mighty wrath.

Oh, and if MP is that important to you, hold off and purchase the MP version that will be sure to come.

Baaaaa....


(Just for Shiva)

[art_vandelai]

It's official..check the FAQ

MP is NOT in...surprise surprise

lurk mode off

[Neuronix]

Thanks for pointing that out to me art_vandelai, I will now be cancelling my pre-order. I'll just get the Shogun Total War expansion and play that and my other games until I see some Civ 3 multiplayer or the game is $30 at EB (prolly a couple months).

Therefore you won't be hearing my rants (all 2 of them about not having MP anymore either. Why waste my time on a forum for a game I'm not even buying

[Ralf]

OK, isnt 217 replies enough?

We all gonna get MP, but we obviosly have to wait until Firaxis releases that expansion-pack. If this is a huge problem; dont buy the game - it is as simple as that.

[Buck Birdseed]

Originally posted by SITS
Yet if you look at the forum posts you see 3 times more Civ2 MP posts than Civ2 Creation posts and about 14 times more MP posts in the SMAC forum.

"Turn Done. Handing over to MOBIUS."

(SMAC had really bad scenario-making facilities, that's why there is next-to-no community for it. I myself gave up after those three or four maps.)

[Utrecht]

The biggest thing that amazes me about this whole debate is the beleif of Yin and others that Firaxis OWES them a reply.

Why?

No contracts were broken - there are no legal reasons to do this...

Bad PR? Sure there may be might be made a case for that - however I would restate things by saying Firaxis SHOULD reply - but the fact of the matter this would simply be satisfying the fanboy croud.

In order to understand how relatively insignificant we really are in the success/failure of a game, you have to understand how software is sold........

The vast majority is to "non-rabid" people who pick up a piece of software either after reading a review, hearing about it from a friend or seeing it in a store.

So if screaming and yelling about this is cathargic for you - go ahead, but again realize that this has totally decended into a religious war - both sides are yelling at eachother and the other side really does not listen.... They are only looking for the holes in the other sides argument - not constructive.....

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Adm.Naismith


Many Games Magazines (on paper and on-line) usually cut some point from a game overall vote, if it can't be played in any MP form.

They might cut a few points but all of the print mags play softball now. They let too much slide and quite a few are just questionable at best. Most of the best reviews are online by regular people but they dont have the readers to make a difference.

[Shiva]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Well...

Originally posted by Ozymandous



(And I will not comment on sheep and rubbing the wrong way, rofl!)

Hey I'm from Nebraska not Texas, sheep arnt used that way here

[drake]

YEah ozy, they like goats and football in nebraska........

Hey marky mark, isnt it about time this baby got put out of its misery?

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Neuronix
Thanks for pointing that out to me art_vandelai, I will now be cancelling my pre-order. I'll just get the Shogun Total War expansion and play that and my other games until I see some Civ 3 multiplayer or the game is $30 at EB (prolly a couple months).

Therefore you won't be hearing my rants (all 2 of them about not having MP anymore either. Why waste my time on a forum for a game I'm not even buying

Shogun Total War is a good example of why some things should be left alone or when you do an expansion it shouldnt screw up what you have patched before.

[Ozymandous]

Heh, last words for now (this thread exploded then fizzled, heh).

1) Firaxis doesn't "owe" anyone anything, customers will pay for what they want, although it would be nice if Firaxis did mention the work that some people did to try to make the game better.

A simple "we got a lot of ideas from fans and they even gave us better ideas" would probably suffice.

2) I think even the "SP rules, MP sucks" folks realize the marketing SNAFU Firaxis did with MP (hopefully since that was the main point IMHO).

3) Since game magazines are in shaky legs financially and depend heavily on the advertising of the game companies to stay in business we can't really expect them to be impartial can we? At least not impartial to the big names & games. *shrug*

4) Who's yelling and screaming about the issue? Some just grumble louder than others..

5) Shiva, "Nebraska, where the men are men and the cows are..." heh.

So... Anyone have any other good TBS games that do have MP? My girlfriend and I play together over LAN sometimes (have to love those Linksys router/switch combo's!) and are looking for a good game to play together.

Current play list:
1) Icewind Dale
2) Baldurs Gate 2
3) Age of Kings & Conquerors

Games we used to play but dislike now:
1) Diablo2. See other comments I made in this thread as to why.

Ideas? Suggestions?