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Yeah that last one will probably come out mean, but hey, Yin does have some kinda point. One would think, though, that he is in as much fault as Firaxis for assuming that MP existed. Assumptions are the root of all evil, give or take, kinda, somewhat.
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I made no assumptions about anything. Firaxis hyped their wild and sexy multiplayer, and it was one of the things that made me think Civ3 would be brining something really new to the table.
If that MP is taking a long time to make...then make an official announcement.
If that MP is going to be given out free or in an X-pack...then make an official announcement.
And as for the other (various) troll comments lobbed at me: I don't think Firaxis 'owes' me a damn thing except basic, common courtesy. At this point, how can I possibly make a decision to buy the game when an important element of it will be missing and I have no idea if they'll charge me AGAIN later just to get it?
And, yes, I feel that the time that I AND MANY OTHERS here spent toward giving Firaxis ideas (which now seem in magazine articles to have been invented at Firaxis) should have told Firaxis at the very least:
Hey, let's at least keep the fans informed so they know what's up.I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001
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Well Steve, I guess than you wouldn't agree that Firaxis has one of the best deals around. They are simply updating a game that has been around for ten years. Few new game concepts. And of course some art changes. Hopefully the AI is better, but essentially the exact same game that I have been playing for a decade. I will buy this game but not until the price goes down.Originally posted by Steve Clark
Ozy: In my case, at least, it's not about blind loyalty. I couldn't less about that. Simply put, I love Civ2 so maybe I'll love Civ3 as well. Unlike yin, whose past efforts made him believe that Firaxis owes him a revolutionary game, I really don't care if I get Civ3 or not. Sure I would love to play it but if not, there are games to play and things to do.
Yin put a lot into this game and I can't understand how you cannot at least acknowledge that he has a right to be pissed off by it all. He expected a company to treat us all with some respect. By making some upgrades to the genre and to actually tell us some degree of truths. They did neither. I for one am pissed off about it. This thread did not convince me to keep my money but a long thoughtful process of realizing that Civ 3 was doomed by the bottom lines of Infogrames. Hopefully by saving myself a few dollars I get Infogrames to at least reconsider on MOO3. Hopefully that game will save the TBS genre, because Civ 3 is just a rehash of what has already been released.About 24,000 people die every day from hunger or hunger-related causes. With a simple click daily at the Hunger Site you can provide food for those who need it.Comment
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And as for why I brought this up again (as if I have to justify myself, which I don't): Soren just mentioned it in an interview in the clearest terms we've seen yet...besides the leaked e-mail, of course.I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001
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tniem: Thanks. I know I am a pain at times.
And do I think my thread with change people's minds? No, not really. But when newcomers visit here, I hope they at least know about the rumors of the hints of the leaks of the ...I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001
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You can say that about simcity, Railroad tycoon, Quake, Airwarrior,warcraft, and so on and so on. Its the way of the market. Why did Civ 2 do so well? Because it was evolutionary not revolutionary. There isnt a need to start from scratch or adding so much that you lose the foundation of the game. If someone here feels slighted or their feelings got hurt thats life.Originally posted by tniem
Well Steve, I guess than you wouldn't agree that Firaxis has one of the best deals around. They are simply updating a game that has been around for ten years. Few new game concepts. And of course some art changes. Hopefully the AI is better, but essentially the exact same game that I have been playing for a decade.
They have to make choices that are driven by money. Im sure they would have loved to add a bunch of other stuff too but because of time and cash they couldnt. Thats the way it goes it happens all the time with games. Just because a fan puts in a bunch of suggestions the company owes him? Maybe having your name in the manual or something but it doesnt mean they will do something to effect the bottom line. They have a job to do, they are the ones who decide what is done, and they are the ones who are on the firing line when the game sinks or swims. Not some fans with brused egos and no idea whats going on behind the doors. Right to be pissed off indeed
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It's not the any one person that really matters. It's the overall attitude that can, does and IS hurting your coveted 'bottom line.'Just because a fan puts in a bunch of suggestions the company owes him?I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001
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Yes im sure the vast public is paying attention to the soapopera that goes on hereOriginally posted by yin26
It's not the any one person that really matters. It's the overall attitude that can, does and IS hurting your coveted 'bottom line.'
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Yeah, and I'm sure the vast public is gonna pleased as all hell when MP -- a basic feature -- is missing despite any official statements from the company.I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001
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And it's actually your problem not to realize that ****ty PR hurts the bottom line.
I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001
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Originally posted by yin26
And it's actually your problem not to realize that ****ty PR hurts the bottom line.
You really dont understan that most of the people who are going to buy this game never have or will vist here do you? You really dont understand that most people will have any idea that MP was going to be in it to start. Its a small small world you live in.
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Stick around a few months. Watch what happens. Learn a bit.I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001
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Heh, no way. I've waited a long time for Civ3, and ain't no excessive MP:er anyway.Comment
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Originally posted by yin26
Stick around a few months. Watch what happens. Learn a bit.
Yes, Im so sure it'll sell badly . Its amazing how people tend to think they are the center of the universe.
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As I said, take out a note pad, quit trolling...and watch what will happen.I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001
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