Civ III, Don't Buy If SP only

[TCO]

Originally posted by Sn00py
This is very bad publicity, because they're making it obvious that they're in it for the money.

Ummm...DUH!!!!

Like they don't have Mommy and Daddy feeding them like you do. Like they have to go out and make money!!

[TCO]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


the purpose of all that sims talk is to draw a comparison to civ3 - the more merchandise you release on a specific thing, the more likely the product is to die out, rather than build up a large fanbase

That's bullkaka logic. If the market will tolerate expansions, then tap it. And expansions KEEP people's interest.

You use the same kind of faulty logic as the liberals do on highways. "Let's not build extra highways, because people will just use them more and traffic congestion will go up anyway. If we don't build them congestion will keep people of the roads and then congestions will go down!" HELLO!!

[Wiglaf]

Ummm...DUH!!!!

Like they don't have Mommy and Daddy feeding them like you do. Like they have to go out and make money!!

GP, I think you totally missed the point of his original post.

Making it look like you are invovled with the consumer and actually care about the type of game you release is desired: the opposite is not. So when Firaxis goes and cuts a few features to make a deadline, and maybe even charges for an expansion, they look like money milkers.

That's bad publicity. ummm....DUH!!!

That's bullkaka logic. If the market will tolerate expansions, then tap it. And expansions KEEP people's interest.

over "tapping" something can devastate a long term franchise

[faded glory]

ok here is the email i sent to Asktheciv team, and 3 other Firaxis top-dogs.

[I]I wont buy this game if you release a single player version for 50.00. And then you realease a second version for 30.00$. Umm.....Does greed ring a bell here? You think we dont notice this?

Please make the right choice. Dont sell them separately. I know your not the man in charge... But perhaps if we bug you guys enough you wont make the same mistake as Activision and Moo!?

Releasing Civ3 without MP is a huge bluff. People will just return the game after beating single player like with Call to Power2[I/]


Hey, c'mon guys...Im seroius about MP

[umphbitmaph]

i wouldn't pay for Quake3 if it was only SP ;-] but I just don't like playing Civ (turn-based games) over the net. If the AI is good enought, I'll be happy.

[Rommel393]

After reading this forum, I went to Civ3.com and bought Civ3. And I can't wait for it to get here. Dammit people, stop your *****ing. Half the civers demand civ3 as fast as possible and when Firaxis starts putting things in gear and pulling long, long hours of writing codes day in and day out, the other half of the civers start crying about no multiplayer. If you buy the game only for MP then wait to buy it until springtime. But unless your like the rest of us, who just wanna have fun, then just buy the game.

[Rommel393]

BTW: I will probably never play civ3 MP anyway. This does not mean I'm a "panzy" though. I play diablo, starcraft, age of empires, age of kings, and counterstrike over the net all the time. Counterstrike also takes a lot more practice to play well on, too. I am a civer whos been playing since civ1. I also had NES. As a matter of fact I still have it. The fact of the matter is, some games, namely TBS, are not suited for MP. Their just too slow.

[Rommel393]

Hey Faded Glory. I live in West Bend. Small world huh?

[isaac brock]

Stop complaining that they're in it for the money. First of all, GP is right, everyone needs money. It's what grown ups use to feed themselves. Secondly, you have no basis with which to say "Those bastards are charging for an expansion pack. That's wrong." or something like that. Take a deep breath and repeat this to yourself: "No one has said they were charging extra for multiplayer. We, in fact, have no proof that multiplayer will not be included. We will stop whining like 2 year olds at this time."

Its not very kind of me to remind you of the truth, I know. But stop b itching and wait until you have the facts.

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by Rommel393
After reading this forum, I went to Civ3.com and bought Civ3. And I can't wait for it to get here. Dammit people, stop your *****ing. Half the civers demand civ3 as fast as possible and when Firaxis starts putting things in gear and pulling long, long hours of writing codes day in and day out, the other half of the civers start crying about no multiplayer. If you buy the game only for MP then wait to buy it until springtime. But unless your like the rest of us, who just wanna have fun, then just buy the game.

more power to you

I hope you realize all us "*****ers" have a reasonable concern though

[faded glory]

I guess Rommel isnt taking to light the fact that the AI will probably be as lost an as hopeless as the one in Civ2 and CTP


I think its interesting how all these pro-single players seem to assume that the AI is going to be a dominant, real life, quick thinking, conniving, monopolisitic force.If History tells us anything, When has single player mode AI ever been like this!?. The fact is, it will most likely be submissive and weak. Not knowing how to use the diplomacy, and rarely making smart decisons.

[isaac brock]

didn't they say the AI cheats only on impossible setting? If so, I would say the AI is a lot more promising than you've been scaring us into believing

[dennis580]

Well faded glory I will personally go on record as saying i beleive Civ3's AI will have the greatest AI of any game ever made.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by dennis580
Well faded glory I will personally go on record as saying i beleive Civ3's AI will have the greatest AI of any game ever made.

*knock* *knock* ! HELLO ?? Is anybody home!?

What the hell make you all think the AI is going to be the best ever!!!

Hah You are all fools the lot of you! Havent you ever heard Marketing gimmics? Advertisement? Paid endorsements? I can remember countless reviewers as well as Activision itself, claimed that the CTP2 AI would be 'Far superior challenge to any civ game to-date!'. Its the "next best thing in Artificial intellegence"! "Simply the best" said a Gamespot reviewer. What a freakin joke


Honestly...its all self promotion. They tell you what you want to hear. If you think the AI is going to be as awesome as firaxis is telling you. You are sadly mistaken and are in for a big upset. Mark my words, quote them...A later date, send me a Private Message. Prove me wrong!

Ive seen the "Awesome AI" gimmick way too much to be fooled. Its all File-Switching and randomized response. Thats the way it is always going to be. Nothing new about it.

[Cyclotron]

I think its interesting how all these pro-single players seem to assume that the AI is going to be a dominant, real life, quick thinking, conniving, monopolisitic force.

Umm, first of all, I don't understand this "pro single player" idea. Nobody has said, "hey, I hope firaxis charges extra for MP so we can screw those goddam netties up the ***!" Do you mean people who play SP much more often than MP? I am one of those persons. And I never assumed the Civ3 AI would be a mean, lean, human-overpowering machine. I still play Civ2 often on a regular basis, and yes, I don't even own the MP version! I don't need the Civ AI to be the biggest thing since sliced bread. But that is all my personal opinion...

If you are such a "pro-multiplayer" guy, why do you care how bad the AI is? I am pretty sure all the people who play SP play it for a reason. If they play SP on Civ2, and that AI is "lost and hopeless," then isn't it obvious that those same people would be satisfied with a great game like Civ3, even if the AI is by your standards just mediocre?

PS. What would a MP jerk like you know about AI anyway?