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  • Im saying we MPers are way more into the games we play. We look for challenges, not walkovers. Playing a Human opponent is loads more fun than playing an AI. I have learned that during my breif sojourn into the world of Call to Power PBEM.

    No offence to the people buy games just to kick the AI's ass

    I suppose I should cut firaxis some slack. But If Civ3 is not a hit. And its sold separately, Interest will wain very quickly. Trust me, that will be it for the Civilization Series.

    Cyclotron, answer my question on the modern tank thread

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    • I have read and/or skimmed most of the posts in this thread and am amazed at the outrage. I can understand the frustration, but I would think the simple approach would simply be not to buy the product.

      I have been very excited about this game for a long time now (as most of you have), and I thought I would snatch up a copy of it as soon as it hit the shelves. But if there's one thing I've learned about even the most polished games, it is: wait a few months (which really sucks when you've waited so long, but what's a few more months?) and the company will come out with, first, a patched version, later, an expansion pack, then about a year later there'll be some "gold" addition that includes the expansion pack for much less than the two original products cost, then they'll finally come out with some kind of "platinum" version or whatever.

      The point is: instead of buying the game right away, I think I'm just going to wait until (1) the price comes down a tad, and (2) they release the inevitable patched version with probably the multiplayer portion included.

      This most certainly is not the ideal solution. I want the game just as quickly and badly as the next Civ fan, but maybe this is the best way to go.

      The only MP I'll use is Hotseat. If that's not included in the initial release, I'll wait. Not exactly a boycott, but then it shows the publisher that they're not going to make money off of at least one customer (me) until they make a product I want (i.e. includes Hotseat). I would suggest those of you who are upset about certain things with the initial release do the same.

      I really do want the game right away. Oh well.

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      • Im saying we MPers are way more into the games we play. We look for challenges, not walkovers. Playing a Human opponent is loads more fun than playing an AI. I have learned that during my breif sojourn into the world of Call to Power PBEM.
        Do you think SPers play for cake walks? I play scenarios, custom maps, and make my own scenarios to have probably just as much fun as you have playing multiplayer. I think that this is more fun than MP, but that's my opinion. And that's just what it is: an opinion. So don't make your opinions out to be facts, faded glory.

        I do agree that this is a poor financial decision on the part of Firaxis. But don't petition Firaxis to release the game later, because some of us don't care about the MP module: we just want Civ3.
        Lime roots and treachery!
        "Eventually you're left with a bunch of unmemorable posters like Cyclotron, pretending that they actually know anything about who they're debating pointless crap with." - Drake Tungsten

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        • faded glory's AI post is tough to take in, but in all honesty I think he's right. Take SMAC's AI - good, yes, but only for the period of time it took for you to use crawlers or any of the game's other complex features. Civ3 is SMAC times ten in terms of new little additions..why would its AI be as revolutionary as Firaxis and other reviewers make it out to be? It's all hype.

          Of course, there's a chance the game will provide a challenging experiance each and every time. If the team didn't have to get this thing out in time for the holidays, I'd say they'd be able to reach that goal somewhat. But if they release civ3 in October, as an SP only experiance in the 21st century, that not only smells of money lust, but also horrific laziness.

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          • Well for the multitude of Civ3 players who don't give a rats a$s about MP...we don't want to wait longer for a game for a feature that we won't use. Being that SP players are far and away the majority of players...why should our game experience take longer to get because a there are a precious few people who want MP?

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            • Oh yeah and MP play is not the future of TBS games. TBS games due to their extremely long play times will always predominantly be SP games, subject to MP by only a very few hardcore and dedicated players.

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              • First of all id like to say that im glad I never played MP after those first two times (one i defeated a "almighty" human faster than ive EVER beat a AI, the other one I was booted for winning...) becouse they are all a bunch of bickering children, who cant stand to lose, they dont play for fun, just to win (witch may be fun to them, not for me) and be able to say
                "I beat -insert name here- in record time, I may not have a life but atleast I can sit in front of a computer for 11 hours playing with pixils, rather than go outside."

                The majority of people who play civ are gonna want a good SP, then if thats good they will buy/ D\L MP.

                But in the end it all comes down to: SP now, MP later OR MP later... ive waited long enough, I want SP.
                "Nuke em all, let god sort it out!"

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                • Originally posted by The diplomat
                  But isn't it better to wait a few months and get a really cool MP instead of getting a half-baked MP right out of the box?
                  You will get your MP, so chill out!
                  You are probably right diplomat.....probably...

                  I think both sides of the argument are right. Civ is a great single-player game. However, it is also a great multiplayer game for people who want to invest the time in a good match. I don't much care for the SP'ers out there who look down their noses like snobby aristocrats because they "don't much care for MP". That's pretty narrow-minded.

                  This is the year 2001; many people want MP in their games. I don't care how good a game's AI is--it cannot hold a candle to a thinking, intelligent human opponent. It was Firaxis themselves who said the game was going to have multiplayer. They didn't say "It might have multiplayer," or "It will have multiplayer, but not for six months after it hits the shelves." You can't blame the people who want MP now for having unreasonable expectations. Firaxis said it would be MP-equipped, and they will shoulder disappointment of MP fans if it is released to market without it.

                  Firaxis/Infogrames isn't doing this group of fans any favors by keeping so tight-lipped about it. It is simply not fair for the developer/publisher to accept money for pre-orders without being absolutely forthright about what features are or are not going to be in the game. Surely, if the product is in beta testing now, then they must be pretty sure of the MP issue. So it is time to come clean about it.

                  MH
                  Last edited by Whitestar718; September 17, 2001, 16:30.

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                  • I agree Whitestar.
                    Second official member of OfAPeCiClu [as of 27-07-2001 12:13pm]: We will force firaxis to make a GOOD game through our sheer negativity!

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                    • Multiplayer MUST be in for me to buy it

                      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

                      I play Civ series almost exclusively Singleplayer
                      That's because you have no friends

                      As a compromise, I would be quite happy if they put the civ 2 multiplayer engine in. That shouldn't be too hard.

                      Then they can tempt us with something better later

                      Everyone should be concerned about Multiplayer not being in - its a great experience but also it makes you wonder what other corners they are cutting.

                      I definitely won't be buying this game without multiplayer - I never SP now and I don't want to have to buy the game twice
                      Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                      Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                      • If they wanted to shove some old code in there, they'd put in smac's multiplayer engine. but they won't do that, because they are working on other ways to make MP fun. I won't rule out the possibility that they might be able to ship with MP. On the other hand, if they don't and you have to wait a few months for a patch, then sit down, stop complaining, and WAIT. you'd have to wait anyway if they were to withhold the game until MP was done. Enjoy SP as a timewaster until you can play your unholy multiplayer games afterwards. *****ing will get you nowhere.

                        PS Multiplayer sucks
                        Retired, and it feels so good!

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                        • That was completely uncalled for

                          Originally posted by isaac brock
                          If they wanted to shove some old code in there, they'd put in smac's multiplayer engine. but they won't do that, because they are working on other ways to make MP fun. I won't rule out the possibility that they might be able to ship with MP. On the other hand, if they don't and you have to wait a few months for a patch, then sit down, stop complaining, and WAIT. you'd have to wait anyway if they were to withhold the game until MP was done. Enjoy SP as a timewaster until you can play your unholy multiplayer games afterwards. *****ing will get you nowhere.

                          PS Multiplayer sucks


                          Idiot.
                          Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                          Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                          • Re: That was completely uncalled for

                            Originally posted by Alexander's Horse




                            Idiot.
                            You're just afraid that the AI will be harder than beating brand new players on MP. You are a dirty, dirty man.
                            Retired, and it feels so good!

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                            • I'm sure you would find any AI a challenge

                              Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                              Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                              • Alexanders Horse, why do people such as yourself always sink to the level of personal attacks? the dirty, dirty man comment was constructive criticism, and now you've turned this forum into something ugly. I guess a low sperm countdoes go to ones head.
                                Retired, and it feels so good!

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