Civ III, Don't Buy If SP only

[Stromprophet]

All I can say is this. We have no definitive word on Multiplayer. Only vague responses. Don't jump to conlcusions based on speculation.

It's insane for anyone who has truly enjoyed the series to say, "I will not play this game if it is only single player." Even IF it is single player at launch within months it WILL have mulitplayer as well.

For all of us who played the series from launcc in October of 1990, none of the original were ever released with Multiplayer. Not even the massively popular Civ II had multiplayer at the start. So just calm down, relax, and be patient. I'd rather have them get it right than get it wrong.

[Wiglaf]

And your judgement is based on yin and his Civ-bashing followers! Why are you any more worthy to decide whether it's good or not than I am?

No, my judgement is based on Firaxis' past games (SMAC and even civ, if you count some developers) and common sense. Yours is pure hype without anything but press releases to back it.

[isaac brock]

your judgment is based on your flawed view of SMAC (and civ). I have press releases, hype, AND optimism. You assume everything will be crap. Why do you bother posting to this forum if you aren't looking forward to the game? Do you post to forums about other games you don't want, saying how crappy they'll be? What are you trying to prove?

[Kaak]

notice a trend?

almost all of the settlers/warlords/princes don't care about MP
almost all of the upper-classmen do...

to sid:
see my post about the new world trade center plans in the OT. The symbolism implied therein comes from the very bottom of my heart

[Stromprophet]

Kaak! Shame. Shame.

Don't knock Mulitplayer. Rank means nothing, you know that.

I've played Civ for 10 years(11 next month), since the first release.

And having played you online, and beat you. I know that you enjoy multiplayer. But don't knock it. You know when Civ II came out there was no mulitplayer.

I would rather them get the MP feature right rather than wrong.

You, are giving Sid the bird? Kaak. For shame.

[Cyclotron]

Good Lord, what is wrong?

Multiplayers: Why the hell are you bashing AI and SP? If people want to play it, then obviously they like it, so stop whining! Nobody cares how skillfully you can insult the Civ2 AI. It's ridiculous that you feel you can effect a change in Civ3 multiplayer release dates by predicting, with absolutely no evidence, that the AI will suck. Oh, so the AI is "batting practice"? For "novice players only"? Get lost, and take your superiority complexes with you. I would challenge any of these multiplayer supporters to tell me how any of the posts described above have been in the least bit constructive. If you want to sound off on AI, that's fine, but inferring that people who play SP more than MP are inferior rookies to you is childlike and ignorant behavior.

[Stromprophet]

Exactly.

But will there be hotseat? I think it would be easy to include this option wihtout using internet options. Anyone from Firaxis talk about this?

I agree, I played both Multiplayer and Single player. Succesful at both. I beat the best of the best before in MP so I don't care what they say about AI. I prefer playing scenarios and AI by myself. But I will play MP too.

[Kaak]

I think you misunderstand. I don't have anything against SP. I even play SP sometimes. I AM frustrated with FireAxis for not including MP fuction, because I KNOW they plan on doing the same with civ3 as they did with civ2. (i.e: release one version, then charge full price again for a version with MP)


they are inconsiderate money grubbing bastards =)

[Stromprophet]

Note to Kaak.

Firaxis did not design civ2. This was mainly microprose. And that is the publisher's decision.

The developer never has the decision on how to market. This game will be marketed by Infogames.

But the main talk I see is the expansion will only be an add-on, not a gold version, or it will be a free download.

[Kaak]

that i will believe when i see it

[TechWins]

Well, I'm going to copy over a post, from a different thread, I made to spread the word of this (not for some cheap PC):


I'm still very optimistic about MP being included. Why, well I finally found that quote from Jeff that I've mentioned a few times before recently.

"Timed turns and simultaneous moves will be a part of multiplayer, but in reality it doesn't significantly reduce play time (at best ~15%). Often MP games take longer anyways because of having to coordinate multiple play sessions with multiple people, not to mention disconnects and restarts. For the average customer winning a solo civ3 game by space race, on default settings, can't really happen in one sitting. MP is the same way. We've got a pretty different approach to simul-move, and features like alliance simultaneous moves will reduce game time even more. The SMAC favorite of dynamically increasing turn timers will be present as well.

While these areas of MP aren't being ignored, most new stuff will be in turn based. Civ3 is a turn based game at it's heart, and we believe it can be a great internet game without ignoring or sidestepping that fact.

Jeff"

I guess not many people remember that thread, huh?

The only possibilities I can think of for why MP might not be included. Either Mister Pleasant is lying, Mister Pleasant was sent a false e-mail (whether that be false name from sender or false info on the e-mail), Firaxis decided that they could make a lot more money selling MP seperately, or Firaxis just ran out of time and/or money to finish MP.


You can find a link to the thread in which Jeff posted as this
thread.

[Stromprophet]

I read about the guy who said Firaxis emailed him about distributing the game to his school.

One, from experience I know that Firaxis will rarely if ever e-mail individuals with any sort of information on game design. And in particular they would not say anything about mplayer.

Second, Firaxis wouldn't give you the direct answer. Your direct answer would come from Sid or the Civ III team. Remember Firaxis has other projects they are working on at the same time.

Third, I will never, ever trust information from supposed inside sources or rumors. They have proved false again and again.

Although the answer looks vague for MP, at www.civ3.com they basically are very cryptic about it.

[Kaak]

sheesh...Another guy posted an e-mail from firaxis that said they weren't going to include multiplayer. His post stated that it was going to be an "add-on or something"

MP IS NOT IN THE LIMITED EDITION

[Wiglaf]

I guess we should refrain from all these judgements until we get the final word, but just the fact there is a LE is a bit disappointing.

your judgment is based on your flawed view of SMAC (and civ).

smac's AI was good?

I have press releases, hype, AND optimism.

I bow to your might.

You assume everything will be crap. Why do you bother posting to this forum if you aren't looking forward to the game? Do you post to forums about other games you don't want, saying how crappy they'll be? What are you trying to prove?

I don't assume everything is "crap". I'm trying to prove that Firaxis is getting greedy and has started to use unreasonable (speaking from a consumer's standpoint) tactics (LE, no multiplayer) and isn't the perfect, friendly company they seem to be. Is that opinion tolerated?

[FuFu15]

I, for one, will not buy the game if it is SP only. if they do not include MP, they are simply releasing it just to make $$ and not caring about the general public. If it is single player only, i will simply download an iso and feel no shame.