Civ III, Don't Buy If SP only

[SlowwHand]

Hey, bright eyes.
What do you not understand?
I couldn't care less if you spend your money on an SP game.
My gripe is that if it's true that there is no MP available, without a patch, that it's b.s.
So, back at you. Do you have a problem with people wanting MP option?

[TechWins]

What has to be understand by all is that MP is just as important as SP is to many and that SP is just as important as MP is to many. SP is just as important as MP and MP is just as important to MP. So not including MP would be like not including SP.

[Fidel]

slow, no need to get snippy. i would absolutely love mp, but i could also understand if they would like to squeeze more bucks out for MP. no need to flame over their business attitude....

[Apocalypse]

MP isn't needed. Europa Universalis has horrible mp and few people play it yet many profess it is the best game they've played so far this year. Many RPGs like Bioware's infinity engine games are still great even if you never play multiplayer.

Also, Civilization III will still be a much better game than the vast majority of title in the market right now. I really see no reason to pass it up over immaturity.

[TechWins]

MP isn't needed.

That's you, while many other people only like MP or like SP and MP.

I really see no reason to pass it up over immaturity.

No, it's really not.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by LaRusso
Slow, your arguments are fine, but why the activist approach? If someone wants to buy SP only game....it's his money....

The activist approach is because we DO want to buy the game. Us Multiplayers have been waiting as anxiously for Civ3 as everyone else. Now we find out that everything we have been waiting for is taken a way from us. We don't truly want to hurt Firaxis out of spite, we want them to realize that they are pissing off quite a lot of people and scramble to fix it.

Which is something I want to make clear to all the pissed off people out there. Our goal isn't to take our marbles and go home, its to hammer home our point to Firaxis and get them to change. Sure we'll go and download the game if we don't get our way, but we'd much rather Firaxis built a decent game for us that we wouldn't mind paying for in the store.

Put the release date back a month and do it right. Fully incorporate Multiplayer, don't make it a freaking add on or patch.

Multiplayers are a significant part of the gaming community, don't treat us like an afterthought!!

[Fidel]

okay. perfect timing to see if the first bush year resulted in 'compassionate capitalism' (or was it 'conservativism'?)

[monkspider]

Perhaps we should wait and see to what extent MP isn't available in Civ 3 before we draw any conclusions.

[The diplomat]

Some of you MP'ers are talking as if civ3 won't have any MP at all. That's not true! You might have to wait a few months after the game is released in order to have MP, but you will have it no matter what. Furthermore, Firaxis has said that they are planning to make MP really good. I realize that you all are very dissapointed because you thought you would have MP right out of the box. But isn't it better to wait a few months and get a really cool MP instead of getting a half-baked MP right out of the box?

You will get your MP, so chill out!

[Capt Dizle]

Yeah, right. Ozzy, having admitted that you will pirate the game tells volumes about what segment of the community you belong to.

Look, Sid makes great games. Great games cost a lot to produce and game developer's make less money than other software developers unless they produce big hits.

Big hits take talent and time. Sid has the talent. Why do you want he and his team to scramble to put MP in? That is downright stupid. They need to take the time to build the game to its best.

The strategy they have chosen, doing a dual release, SP and then MP, will produce more revenue and that means more TIME.
And that means the final result will be a better game.

Sid isn't into ripoffs. He IS concerned about his reputation. He DID cancel the dino project because it didn't amount to a good game. That speaks volumes.

We SHOULD be willing to give Sid as much time as he needs. And as far as paying for two separate games, we SHOULD be willing to pay a premium for his products. They are worth it and he has earned it.

Having said all that the graphics I have seen really suck.

[monkspider]

Diplomat has a good point, and Maybe this is easy for me to say as a non-MPer. But I think just getting used to the game and learning all of it's finer nuances will keep you interested for a few months at least.

[Chronus]

I cannot agree with those who say that SP is equivelant to MP. Even an excellent AI can't do that. I'm not a big MP player but it is a very different game and far more difficult when playing good players.

For those who complain about having to wait in between turns . . . a suggestion: make your MP Civ nights a laundry or chore night. You get a lot done and still have the fun of playing Civ.

[tuckson]

One thing in this discussion surprises me and that's the love of some folks here for CIV MP. ACtually, I 've been playing civ 2 MP only cross a lan against my wife here. It was fun, but only the 2 of us plus some AI opponents each turn took a whole lot of waiting time. Of course there are some things you can do (like some city management or looking at some advisors) but fact is, you're just waiting for your turn.

Because playing with limited time turns or something like that is no option for me (I want it all and I need my Time) ,playing with six human opponants seems rather dull to me. (All that waiting).

I'm really like the SP features of Civ 2 and no doubt I'll like civ3 too.

I guess turnbased games and Multiplayer features are just not as good a match as Realtime games and Multiplayer.

Anyway, I'm gonna buy, with or without MP, as soon as it's released in Europe.

If a patch comes out, I'll download it. But I wont spend another pot of gold for a seperate MP ediation half a year later.


BTW, Consider the fact that over here (Holland) a lot of people still use the Internet over a Phone dial-up connection and that local calls cost money too...
So a civ game lasting several nights cross the Internet for many people is a bit too much of the good...(is this an english expression or am I messing things up?).

Grtx

[lord of the mark]

There are 2 issues here - 1. The validity of SP play 2. the wisdom of leaving out MP

1.
I personally dont play MP. I understand and acknowledge that a good human player will be more challenging then the AI (certainly true for Civ2 - some of us still struggle with deity, but thats a level where the AI gets a big production advantane - on a king, a level playing field, even a mediocre player like myself can routinely beat the AI.

BUT A. Lots of people never get to the point where SP Deity is easy, either because they arent that good, or they simply dont play that much - most buyers are not hard core players
B. Some of us cannot accomodate our family lives to multiplayer. Even the young people who love multiplay may someday reach this point
C. There are other paths to take for hard core civvers than MP. One is OCC or similar challenges. The one I have pursued is scenarios and the scenario community. My interest in Civ is focused more on history than on competitive game playing skills, and so im drawn more to the Scenario community than the MP community.

2. I still think it rather a poor decision not to include MP. Lots of dedicated fans DO play MP, and that number is likely to grow. It seems unreasonable to release a sequel to a game that already has a large MP audience without MP as a feature. And holding that off for later release just seems sleazy. I am sure there were reasons to hold off (in particular the desire to have a game to ship in time for Xmas season) but I can well understand people's frustration, and it seems quite reasonable that people who value MP will hold off buying the game.


LOTM

[dainbramaged13]

Originally posted by The diplomat
Some of you MP'ers are talking as if civ3 won't have any MP at all. That's not true! You might have to wait a few months after the game is released in order to have MP, but you will have it no matter what. Furthermore, Firaxis has said that they are planning to make MP really good. I realize that you all are very dissapointed because you thought you would have MP right out of the box. But isn't it better to wait a few months and get a really cool MP instead of getting a half-baked MP right out of the box?

You will get your MP, so chill out!

MY thoughts exactly!

youre right too jimmyTrick... about the graphics, have you checked out the image from the thread about starting city size? its the newest screen we have, found in civ3.com, an updated version of an old screen in an 'ask the civ team' feature. And to me, those graphics, of the newest screen we have, look AWESOME!


LOTM - i believe the only valid issue is the wisdom of leaving out MP in the original. (the issue of the validity of SP is just bogus - of course it is valid - some may like MP better, but the vast majority of the civ-playing community doesn't have the time/patience to play MP) I do think it may have been a bad choice for sales, and maybe MP players will be dissapointed for a few months, but on the whole, those people who are flaming - rememeber there WILL be MP eventually, and there is defint++++no need to flame people who disagree with your point of view