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  • #16
    Originally posted by Urban Ranger


    I don't think your brain is operational when making such comments. Please try again when it has finished rebooting.
    My previous post can be directed to you, too.

    Wannabes.
    Just dust off Civ I and be happy.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • #17
      the big problem we haqve with this "Protest" is that the MP community is divided amongst itslef . many prefer to play Civ as a PBEM game, others, like myslef, feel that the only way to get real Negotiations going is online, and so LAN or Internet are the best bets... Those liking PBEM beleive that an SP game needs little to make it MP but those who play LAN or Internet KNOW that it takes much more, so we are concerned over this oversight...
      GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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      • #18
        By comparison, playing a person with thought processes and reasoning ability is much more difficult than playing a stupid AI.
        You're assuming that they're good. The game I've played the most multiplayer was Age of Kings and I've played plenty of people who were worse than the AI.

        BTW, my zone rating was around 1850, the best players are around 2000, and your rating starts at 1600. My strategy is just as good as the experts but I don't have the fast click/mouse talent they have. There are plenty of times when I will spend too many precious fractions of seconds "re-moving" my mouse into position or I click the wrong thing, etc.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Rasputin
          the big problem we haqve with this "Protest" is that the MP community is divided amongst itslef . many prefer to play Civ as a PBEM game, others, like myslef, feel that the only way to get real Negotiations going is online, and so LAN or Internet are the best bets... Those liking PBEM beleive that an SP game needs little to make it MP but those who play LAN or Internet KNOW that it takes much more, so we are concerned over this oversight...
          You are absolutely right Rasputin, I couldn't have said it better!

          I still want my multiplay Civ3!
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          • #20
            Originally posted by SlowwHand
            By comparison, playing a person with thought processes and reasoning ability is much more difficult than playing a stupid AI.
            That is true in the vast majority of situations. However, there is nothing shameful about not playing MP!

            I personally have lots of fun in SP.
            'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
            G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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            • #21
              Sorry about your pain, Slowhand, but I play Civ series almost exclusively Singleplayer (a few online SMAC games, but that is it). So, I'll be probably pre-ordering Civ3, Limited Edition, of course .
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #22
                I find MP to be a bore, I belive Civ in it's natural state has always been (and always will be) a single player game. IMHO at least.
                I would issue a word of caution to you though Slowhand, I'm sure most people would consider the majority of posts of late to be blatant trolling.

                "Wannabes.
                Just dust off Civ I and be happy."

                I'm sure it could be fairly asked of you as well to just dust off your Warcraft II or Age of Empires and be happy.
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                • #23
                  The other majorm issue SP peopel seem to hav ewith MP is that they hate the way "losers" quit and if the immature oppsoition actually win then they "flame" their opponents...


                  T oovercome this Do what the core MPers do, play with the same group of players (not always in the same game together but like a revolving group of people to choose oponent sfrom) you get to know them all, form friendships with them and even learn from one another. We have the Aussie group who have a few games on the go. Rah's group of players/friends whixh include his Evil Twin Brother!! The Diplo crowd of players etc etc.. this seems to develop better games as the group sets the rules they play by and still maintain the enjoyment of the group.

                  Of course most newbies still seem to be going to the Zone, which is notorius for Bad Losers unfortunalty... Lots of Cheats used there etc.. ( Not all are like that of course).. To organise a good game of MP dont goto the Zone, your rating there is menaingless to us here, we dont keep ratings nor do most of us actually recored who wins or loses in each game. If you want a game jsut pop over to Civ 2 MP and give your details Timezone, settings you prefer etc, and soon you will get a response, jsut dont post about how good you are, or your zone rating!!
                  GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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                  • #24
                    No MP? - Damn!
                    Well they just lost 3 sales in the UK (Yea, I'm sure Firaxis are worried Still, it makes me feel better to complain here.)

                    Why 3? Well my brothers and I play Civ2 on many occasions in our weekly LAN sessions and I would merely suggest to those Civ SP-only players that they try playing on a LAN set-up. For me it is THE way to play Civ 2.

                    So I shall wait until May, and check the forum for views on how successful the MP patch is, ( I do wonder, since it appears that it is too difficult to implement at present.)

                    JimMac

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                    • #25
                      For all of you who are saying that you will buy the game regardless if it includes MP because you don't care about MP. I sure hope you see the point of MP needing to be included with Civ3. It's now a neccisity to have MP included with games now a days. It would be like not including SP. Think if SP wasn't included and MP was only included, then what would you do? Now the chances of that ever happening are very slim but just what if? The two ways of playing (SP & MP) need to be included together as one.

                      I for one might not buy Civ3 ever if it doesn't originally come with MP. Why, for pure principal reasons. If I do wind up buying it will be because of the lure that SP provides to me. I most likely wouldn't have played MP for about a month or so after I got the game.

                      [I play SP mostly but whenever I get a chance to play MP against my brother via LAN I find it to be the best way to play. If I were to play MP all the time I would probably get bored of it but I only play about one MP game a month.]
                      However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.

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                      • #26
                        I think firaxis really hurt themselves here...getting out of this nice hole they created would take a miracle.

                        Even if it's a free upgrade, civ3 would be a rushed product - completed in time for the holiday season. Take the six months to program the multiplayer aspect into the game, and fix some AI holes if need be. We all know the game won't be perfect and never will be, so effort is always possible.

                        Come on, don't make us shell out $60 for 1/2 a game. I love single player and it's pretty much the main thing I play (only five or six MP games for me, ever) - but to do this not only ignores a large portion of consumers, it reveals what Firaxis is all about - money money money. It started with the LE and it finishes with this.

                        They must be kidding..

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Wiglaf
                          but to do this not only ignores a large portion of consumers, it reveals what Firaxis is all about - money money money.
                          God forbid that game programmers try to make a living! What do you think they are, philanthropists?

                          Also, Sid Meier does care about the reception the game gets. This isn't the last game he's going to make and wants to keep his reputation intact. And Firaxis has not really hurt themselves. They probably lost .0X% of the sales. That's how they compare to a random person on the street who has only played a few computer games in his life, which will include Civ3.

                          I already posted how Civ:CTP, a horrendous game, was still a bestseller for a long time even though people were returning it but CTP2 wasn't because it didn't have the Civ name attached to it. Civ's recognition by the masses which includes press by Time magazine and NY Times alone, will ensure great sales. You think Black and White sold so much because it was a great game? (In case you missed the sarcasm, B&W was horrible.) Firaxis knows this and that's why they will most likely ignore the MP protests.

                          But the ironic thing is that they *do* care about money, money, money and that is why they *will* eventually make MP.

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                          • #28
                            Slowwhand, I know you'll get pissed and I'm sorry, but I really do not care much about MP. The better the AI, the better the game

                            The character of Civ is a bit non - MP IMHO (long waits, rarely going to modern age etc).

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                            • #29
                              Games continue all the time, big P.
                              I'm in a game right now, every Sunday evening.
                              A "1 Wonder Per Civ" dity game.
                              Something not possible in SP.

                              I don't care if some of you can't/won't play MP, it's crap though if the option for MP isn't there; and I don't mean with damed patches at a later date.
                              That's building and selling crap, and if you build and sell crap, you haven't built and sold anythig worth anything.

                              Civ II has enough patches, bugs, and B.S. to last a lifetime.
                              No, not in SP.
                              SP is too damned simple minded to mess up much.
                              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                              • #30
                                Slow, your arguments are fine, but why the activist approach? If someone wants to buy SP only game....it's his money....

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