The *Complete* Tech Tree - Discuss

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Wille
If you look closely you can see on some of the advances that it says an amount of turns. I noticed this on the brown and green coloured ones, this probably tells you how many turn it takes to research the advance.

I think we can research several tech at the same time. If you look at the picture of the Middle Ages tech tree, Monotheism in the start of the page have a number of turns displayed. The same has Invention(with another color ) and the republic on the ancient tech tree. Only theese three has numbers, the other are either blue(researched) or brown(not researched) and without numbers.

Therefore I think it is a big likelihood that the ones with numbers are in research now. (if I just could explain the green ones. They are confusing. )

[SITS]

Looking at the Ancient Times Tech tree on the Civ3.com site the missing images are there. In Construction the GW is missing in the above picture but on the site it is there. Also in masonary there is an image missing - not sure what it is. It might be a case of if the wonder has been built then it is taken off the tree. Not sure.

What is the 'gold coin' image on Construction for?

Also what is the tech after Nuclear Power and before Smart Weapons? To me it looks like 'The Lover' which would be interesting....

[korn469]

Also what is the tech after Nuclear Power and before Smart Weapons? To me it looks like 'The Lover' which would be interesting....

hehe how funny!

that tech is "The Laser" not "The Lover"

either that or your girl friend is about to go ballatic on your ass for playing civ3 too much

the "gold coin" under construction is the ability to build fortifications with your workers

gold coin under steam power is the ability to build railroads
gold coin under engineering is unidentified

[SITS]

The Laser makes more sense but less fun...

[Tiberius]

And what would be the unit associated with the "Lover" tech ?

[korn469]

over at pc.ign they posted some new screen shots, one of them was a larger version of the ancient tech tree posted on gamespot and it can be found here

http://pcmedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/civ3_005.jpg

[Martinus]

Originally posted by SITS
gold coin under engineering is unidentified

It is probably bridge building

[BigRich]

Originally posted by Ribannah
Gone (17)

Automobile
Bridge Building
Combined Arms
Conscription
Explosives
Fundamentalism
Fusion Power
Guerilla Warfare
Labor Union
Leadership
Machine Tools
Plastics
Railroad
Refrigeration
Seafaring
Tactics
Trade

Renamed (7)

Environmentalism -> Ecology
Genetic Engineering -> Genetics
Mobile Warfare -> Motored Transportation
Literacy -> Literature
Nuclear Fission -> Fission
Steam Engine -> Steam Power
University -> Education

New (11)

Free Artistry
Integrated Defense
Military Tradition
Music Theory
Nationalism
Printing Press
Replaceable Parts
Satellites
Scientific Method
Smart Weapons
Synthetic Fibers

Sadly still missing (top 8)

Canal Building
Colonialism
Hydraulics
Logistics
The Mill
The Plough
Psychology
Tourism

Just my two cents.

I think synthetic fibres are a replacement for plastics. I don't agree with the prereqs for them either - if anything they should be swapped around - concern over waste plastics leading to environmental initatives and recycling. Synthetic fibres should definitely be linked to refining or chemistry plus another tech - not sure which one off hand but not ecology.

I'm a little curious as to the reasoning behind some of your 'sadly missing techs' Canal building and the Mill - yep can see where they would be useful and fit into the game, same with Colonialism. The Plough - I think that tech is kind of implied by the ability to build irrigated land, which you can do at the start. I think logistics is kind of encapsulated by Nationalism. After all nationalism gives you armies which presumably is where logistics would come into play in a Civ game. Tourism, hydraulics and Psychology - nice ideas but I'm not sure where they would fit in. Tourism is all part and parcel of culture I think - famous old cultural buildings being good tourist traps

Meant to be constructive criticism rather than a flame attack - feel free to blow my arguments out of the water!

Rich.

[skalman]

Were are all non military units? I hope this tech tree is incomplete because I can't find my favorite unit from CTP, The corporation branch.
And I thought that Civ3 was more off a "peace" game, and what better unit are there than the corporation branch, lawyer, TV engivalist or a unit to manipulate whit other civs culture. I haven't heard anything about a "peace" unit, can somebody please tell me that I am wrong?
When a played CTP my favorite strategy in the modern era was to flood my enemy whit lawyers and corporation branches crippling there production rate.

[BigRich]

Originally posted by Tiberius


I see. But what are those tank-like looking units under Computers and Synthetic Fibers?

Also there is no Internet as a tech. Is it a Wonder, maybe?
Oh, I just realized: Computers is before Miniaturization! How comes that? How do you build computers without miniaturization? Let's say you can build chips with electronics, but then what "miniaturization" stands for ?

You build mechanical ones and then ones based on vacuum tubes and stuff. World War 2 codebreaking / Manhattan Project technology style. Slow, clunky but faster than doing it by hand. Miniaturization presumably represents the development of chips, making computers more useful and widespread.

Rich.

[BigRich]

Re: The *Complete* Tech Tree - Discuss

Originally posted by Snapcase

Let's start from the beginning and analyse the entire thing. What do each and every one of the Icons mean? Are the connections between techs logical?

Havn't looked at the icons too much. Most of the connections look OK to me with a couple of things I would change - see below. A few of the names seem a bit out of place, for example I don't like 'replaceable parts' as a major tech. I preferred 'machine tools' from Civ 2 and I presume they are much the same thing? But that's just me

Now for the changes:

I don't like having chemistry as a prereq for physics (and this is a chemist talking here ). Doesn't seem especially logical to me. The old Civ 2 prereqs of maths and astronomy (?) were better but this is not directly possible now.

Not sure why electronics is a prereq for motorised transport. Steel, or electricity would make more sense IMO.

I would prefer miniturization rather than computers to lead to the laser. Would fit in better with computers being relatively primitive vacuum tube machines, and miniturization representing solid state computers/electronics. Probably just me being nit picking, in game terms I don't think there would be much difference.

Rich.

[BigRich]

Originally posted by Tiberius
And what would be the unit associated with the "Lover" tech ?

No unit - but allows Contraception wonder in combination with medicine

Rich.

[Tiberius]

Sorry, double post

[Tiberius]

Ok, so computers before miniaturization means vacuum tubes (and stuff ) made computers. But were these computers so important to appear in the Tech Tree before miniaturization? When I say "computer" I think to a chip-based computer, and I bet 99% of people think in the same way.
Weren't the chip-based computers those who changed the world?
And in Civ2 Miniaturization was before Computers. Why did they change this?

[Tiberius]

No unit - but allows Contraception wonder in combination with medicine

...and the consequences: increased happiness but pop. growth slows down